Posted on 01/20/2006 10:28:11 AM PST by TFFKAMM
When I went into the Army, I tried to explain that and they just said, well we will just list you as Protestant.
I gave up and wore my dog tags anyway.
J, just quit while you're behind. You seem to get in deeper trying to correct the last dumb thing you said. You have no idea what you're talking about.
You can call me a Mormon basher if you will. The fact is Lee was captured in my hometown. Panguitch, Utah....I have visited his gravesite...in fact I have tended it. I am related to most of the participants in the horrible affair. My family has lived in shame to have a murderer as an ancestor....You have a lot of nerve to call me anything!
The ignorance you have of the facts are showing. There is proof out there. Your Church has admitted more men than John D. Lee were involved. Grow up.
Why did this supposed murderer accompanied President and Prophet, Brigham Young into the Panguitch valley 13 years AFTER the murder. Are you trying to tell me Young didn't know? Of course he knew...there is documented proof that he did. Oh well...go bury your head in the sand
http://www.johndlee.net/quarterly-panguitch.htm
Yes and exactly so! LOL
Dan You mean were not Orthodox? What does being "Orthodox" have to do with it?
"orthodoxy" as in accepting the trinitarian nature of God - its a giant mooring pin - found in the creeds - Mormons reject the creeds
Christ was a Jew, but he wasn't an Orthodox Jew. That is why he was Crucified.
huh...I thought my sins nailed Him to the Cross
I have the bible on my computer. I searched for "Trinitarian" and variations of the word and never got a hit.
Can you point me to the place in the Bible that explains about the "Trinitarian nature of God"?
White Salamander letter would make for interesting plot line.
Ah yes --- Dan Rather isn't the only one to make forged documents and claim to have gotten them from some really old source.
The guy that came up with that is still in jail for killing someone with a bomb, and then having a "work accident" when he was going to blow someone else up.
He forgot that he couldn't turn the box over.
That also happened to Eastern Orthodox Christians in the military until fairly recently. It must have been particularly galling to them to be called "Protestants."
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Hahahaha, best response I've heard.
Can you point me to the place in the Bible that explains about the "Trinitarian nature of God"?
be glad to - lets start with the duality of Christ - wholly human - wholly divine
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17`For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son
we also note in this passage that Jesus is the only Son of God -
Look at acts 9 as well, Sauls conversion - "I am Jesus" - I am being another name of God - we can argue the context of "I am" - however the fact that Christ came to Saul in invisibility and a bright light indicates divine origin
thats two divine aspects so far.....
the final aspect of the trinity is demonstrated in the Gospel of Matthew
3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
so no, you wont find "trinity" in the Bible in a keyword search - but a simple exegesis demonstrates it's actuality
My understanding of Mormonism indicates the LDS believe in the triad nature of God rather than trinitarian,but your comment leads me to think that you discount even that.....
With regards to the creeds - some Catholic, some Protestant.....all were crafted to make a clear statement with regards to the nature of God in light of heretical teachings at the time....one of them being a triune nature of the Godhead. Protestants and Catholics alike agree in the trinitarian nature of God.
Now lets look at the Nicene creed - the only creed accepted not only by Catholics, but Orthodox and Protestant as well...
Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.
And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
would you kindly indicate what aspect of that creed the LDS find distasteful?
In the meantime - please stop identifying youselves as Christian - the LDS claim no apostolic lineage through the Catholic church (That would be the church of Peter), so to characterize yourselves as "Christian" is deceitful at best...you discount the trinity for a triad, reject the creeds, claim a different apostolic lineage, revealed text (oddly in the Kings english) and notably not part of accepted canonized Scripture, so please stop piggybacking on the very denominations the Mormon church consideres to be untrue, and preying on the theologically ignorant who dont investigate or care to know what distinguishes us
Simply stated, believe what you like - this is after all America - I will defend your right to it......
However I will not stand for deception, and claiming to be part of the body catholic is precisely that
It is a novel of fiction. Let's all remember that.
The Veggie Tales = A cult of BOTANY
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White Salamander??
16 ¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son"
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And most others will refer to themselves as Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian or Methodist before they will call themselves Christian.
3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
What I see in those quotes is three individuals:
God, --- His one and only Son --- The Holy Ghost
I don't see where that is a "trinity"
Oh yes --- I see it now in the added scripture you sent. Right there in Constantine chapter 3 verse 5.
(I thought you guys believed in the last part of Revelations where it says you shouldn't change or add any of the words in the scriptures.)
I accept what is in the scriptures, not what was decided by the delegates to a meeting called by the Roman Emperor, Constantine.
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