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France defends right to nuclear reply to terrorism
abc NEWS ^ | Thu Jan 19, 2006 | Reuters

Posted on 01/19/2006 5:01:43 AM PST by wolf78

BREST, France (Reuters) - France said on Thursday it would be ready to launch a targeted nuclear strike against any state that carried out a terrorist attack on French soil.

In a speech defending France's costly nuclear deterrent and toughening policy against terrorism, President Jacques Chirac said Paris must be able to hit back hard at a hostile state's centers of power and its "capacity to act."

"The leaders of states who would use terrorist means against us, as well as those who would consider using in one way or another weapons of mass destruction, must understand that they would lay themselves open to a firm and adapted response on our part," Chirac said during a visit to northwestern France, where France's nuclear submarines are based.

"This response could be a conventional one. It could also be of a different kind."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; france; iran; nukes; terrorism; waronterror
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To: PaxBritannica
The bad side is that I live on the beautiful Isle of Wight on the south coast of England - my house is only a couple of hundred miles from Paris as the crow flies. I'd hate the apple trees and grape vines in my garden to be sprinkled with radioactive powdered frenchies!

BuHuHaHa! This is a point of view that I can share easily. BTW - nothing against your grapes but if they grow such a cold and rainy island they will be quite sour. I prefer French wines - although without any nuclear fallout.

41 posted on 01/19/2006 6:20:37 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: wolf78
Tehran and Paris nuking each other? Hmmm.....

What's the down side? < /sarc >

42 posted on 01/19/2006 6:25:36 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Gritty

We in Britain have a regiment whose speciality is killing Muslims - they are called The Ghurkas!

The Ghurkas then:

http://www.himalayan-imports.com/faq/Ghurkas.htm

and The Ghurkas now:

http://www.army.mod.uk/brigade_of_gurkhas/rgr/index.htm


43 posted on 01/19/2006 6:26:57 AM PST by PaxBritannica
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To: thoughtomator
Remember when Tom Tancredo said something similar?

I do. When all hell broke loose over that statement Tom didn't back down either.

44 posted on 01/19/2006 6:35:47 AM PST by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: ASA Vet

Not a good analogy, the leaders of the Catholic church didn't support IRA terrorism, and Catholicism itself was not a motive in the IRA cause - the IRA is nationalist, not religious.

Compare and contrast the Vatican's stance on IRA terrorism vs. the Saudi religious leaders' stance on Islamic terrorism. The Vatican is simply uninvolved with the IRA - Mecca is ground zero for Islamic terror.

If you can find an instance of Catholic religious leaders supporting IRA terror that is similar to the regular exhortations by Islamic leaders in Mecca, then I will modify my opinion.


45 posted on 01/19/2006 6:37:18 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: thoughtomator

I see your point but wonder what would have been the result if the Pope had said to the IRA, "Knock that crap off."


46 posted on 01/19/2006 6:43:35 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Tut! Such ignorance of my island! The Isle of Wight has a fabulous climate as it is washed on all sides by the gulf stream. The Romans first started wine-growing here 1900 years ago and the quality of the wine was sought after right across the Roman Empire. Even today, there are dozens of vineyards producing superb light, crisp whites with the help of that climate and our light chalky soils. Having met many french wine workers, I cannot bring myself to drink French wine as their personal hygiene leaves something to be desired. Do you boil your wine before you drink it? ;-)


47 posted on 01/19/2006 6:46:03 AM PST by PaxBritannica
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To: globalheater
I wouldn't bet on who is going to bomb the nuclear facilities.

This is easy to answer:

1. Israel can not do that because they haven't got enough equipment for such a large operation. Furthermore it would be politically illogical since this would provoke all Islamic countries to no end. In such a case it is quite likely that Musharaf would topple and his nuclear BS would be left to some idiots. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan and Syria would do anything they could against Israel and the US. It is possible that Israel could be drawn into a secondary war with a new front. Not funny. Last but not least - the Iranians can use the Hezbollah morons for nuclear, biological or chemical attacks in Israel. Since the Israelis only have 7 Million inhabitants it is possible that they loose a big part of their population to such attacks.

2. France only can support such a action due to its limited possiblities.

3. The UK only can support such a action due to its limited possiblities.

4. Germany only can support such a action due to its limited possiblities.

5. The Turks will not react since they have a good relationsship with Iran. They only will move if there is something to "win".

6. Other NATO-countries like the Poles or the Czech republic only can support either.

7. Last but not least the US. If they react then only if other nations like numer 2-6 will join in.

Personally I do not believe that a war is going to happen since some bombing will not help either. It is impossible to eliminate such a nuclear program with air strikes only. To win you need "boots on the ground". There is no nation (exept China :-)) that has the manpower to do this. We should not forget that this is not such a weak nation like Iraq. America is bound in other places. Besides - in a millitary conflict it will be quite likely that the Iranians mine the Street of Hormuz (=> No oil from Kuweit, Iraq and parts of Saudi Arabia). I would do that if I were the Iranian commander in chief. This is a really simple way to crash the world economy.

I do not know why it is that difficult to blow Ahmadinejad and Khamenei into pieces with a good old MOSSAD-, KGB-, CIA-, MI5, BND- or whatever action. Just give those who have the will the means to do it. This would save the souls of many innocent people and would be far more effective than just to bomb some known facilities (with many more unknown). There is a strong Iranian opposition that would cooperate with the West. Even Rasfanjani would cooperate since he proofed to be a intelligent politician.

48 posted on 01/19/2006 6:47:12 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: July 4th
Chirac is preparing the French public for his move to allow Iran to get nuclear weapons, by agreeing with Russia not to refer Iran to the security council. Since he isn't doing anything to stop Iran from getting nukes, he has to assure the French public that there is some policy about terrorist states with nukes. This is that policy. France thinks it is fine for terrorist states to get nukes. And fine for them to nuke somebody else. If they come and nuke France, they will retaliate - if they can find a return address. Which, by the time the eighth terrorist state has nukes, they won't be able to do.
49 posted on 01/19/2006 6:49:26 AM PST by JasonC
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To: ASA Vet

That would be a valid request if the IRA was conducting its campaign in the name of Catholicism. It could also be argued that by adhering to the Ten Commandments (including "Thou shalt not murder") that the Vatican did in fact weigh in against the IRA. Furthermore, the IRA terrorism was not designed to kill, it was designed to disrupt. IRA bombs, unlike Islamic bombs, almost all came with a warning for people to get away from the area. It was clear that killing people was not the goal, another dramatic difference. But even staying mute on the issue is a long long way from the explicit exhortations to terror that come out of Mecca every single day, day after day, year after year after year.


50 posted on 01/19/2006 6:50:20 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: wolf78
France said on Thursday it would be ready to launch a targeted nuclear strike against any state that carried out a terrorist attack on French soil.

The bold is his out. Since AQ is not a "state" but an organization.

51 posted on 01/19/2006 6:50:41 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: MarkL
This from the country that was building a reactor for Iraq...

This from the country that harbored the nut that started the whole mess in the first place, the Ayatollah Khomeini.

52 posted on 01/19/2006 6:50:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ASA Vet

I expect the IRA's response to a pope telling them to stop fighting would be the same as if the pope told catholic American soldiers in Iraq the war was wrong and to go home. You are either loyal to your country or to your pope - if your country and your pope disagree, you have to make a decision who matters most.


53 posted on 01/19/2006 6:51:19 AM PST by PaxBritannica
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To: PaxBritannica
The Isle of Wight must be quite small? What is your average temperature?

Sounds like a beautiful place.

54 posted on 01/19/2006 6:53:39 AM PST by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: doc30

I agree


55 posted on 01/19/2006 6:54:11 AM PST by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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To: wolf78
Sacrebleau! Do my eyes deceive? Was that Yellow stripe actually
an Exo-skeleton spine? Will these Bastards de la Bastille finally
stand and be counted!?
56 posted on 01/19/2006 6:59:53 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: PaxBritannica
Well - wine needs sun, good (volcanic) soil and skillful hands. I do not doubt your skills but sun is -to my knowlege- quite seldom on the British islands. In exchange you have green lawns due to your rainy weather.

Besides - We do not boil our wines before drinking it. We temper them since we did not made such bad experiences with the hygiene of Frenchies in general.

We Germans have quite good wine although you can't buy the good one abroad (German wine in America - Liebfrauenmilch - Urrks-Hualp). Espechially wines from the Kaiserstuhl (a extinct volcano in the Rhine valley) are delicious. If you ever come to my contry it would be a pleasure to drink a bottle (or two) with you. :-)

57 posted on 01/19/2006 7:01:48 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: thoughtomator

I've never heard such a load of crap in all my life. IRA bombs were all designed to kill - all terrorist bombs are.

I was in Warrington on March 20th 1993 when the IRA detonated one of their bombs without warning. It was a quiet saturday morning just before mothers day and the main shopping street was packed with children looking for gifts. The bomb exploded in a litter bin killing 3 year old Johnathan Ball in his pushchair and 12 year old Tim Parry. Often the IRA gave no warning, usually they gave it with minutes to sapre and no chance of evacuation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/northern_ireland/latest_news/152156.stm

You should be ashamed of your apologism for terrorism.


58 posted on 01/19/2006 7:03:25 AM PST by PaxBritannica
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To: PaxBritannica

don't ask the brits for food :) (I just say deep fried mars bars)


59 posted on 01/19/2006 7:04:55 AM PST by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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To: PaxBritannica
If you read what I wrote you would see that I am not apologizing for anything:

..almost all came with a warning for people to get away from the area

This is factually accurate. One instance otherwise does not contradict what I said. If you think IRA and Islamic terror are not fundamentally different then you don't understand the threat of Islam.

While I'm at it, I find it absolutely absurd that you would call me an apologist for terrorism, when I was inside the World Trade Center at the time of the 1993 bombing and nearby on 9/11. When the Irish want to kill all non-Irish everywhere and dominate the globe with their ideology, then maybe you'd have a valid point.

60 posted on 01/19/2006 7:08:36 AM PST by thoughtomator
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