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To: taxcontrol; indthkr

YOU SAID..."I will NOT invest money on getting some engineer with outdated skill (as most are when they graduate from college) up to the point where they now have enough skill to receive and benefit from the new market demand driven technology. If you don't have the latest skills.... which you are NOT going to get from a college, don't even bother applying for the position."

This statement alone doesnt make any sense. I wonder how much YOU know about managing or leading people, in particular, technical people.

Or perhaps you have a solution, in search of a problem...the solution is ASIA.

Business is built on relationships...PEOPLE...relationships not only with your clients or customers, but your employees as well.

Take the time to do some research, and study up on a guy who these days has gone out the window...HERTZBERG, specifically, his theory on MOTIVATION.


158 posted on 01/19/2006 10:06:03 AM PST by Dat Mon (Mr President, pick up the phone and tell DIA to stop the persecution of Lt Col Shaffer)
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To: Dat Mon
YOU SAID "This statement alone doesn't make any sense. I wonder how much YOU know about managing or leading people, in particular, technical people.

1) I'm a technical person myself... In fact, I have invested my own time, effort and money educating myself to be on of the top dozen or so people in my profession in the world. I do not expect my company to take ownership or responsibility for my technical skills.

2) I currently manage a consulting group of 20 people for a Fortune 100 company.

3) I have previously managed technical people in one capacity or another for the past 10 years.... including technical folks for Fortune 500 companies.

4) The industry average turn rate for technical employees is between 10 and 12 percent. My historical rate for employe retention has been between 2 and 4 percent.

My experience shows me, and surveys have proved out, that to RETAIN talented people, it is very necessary to provide an intellectually challenging environment. As such, if I want to KEEP my people, I have to fund their continuing education. I have no problem with that, as long as that education is in areas where the business is going for future growth.

What I do have a problem with is people coming out of colleges with 10 to 15 year old technology, calling themselves engineers, who cant perform even the most basic functions required in order to deliver for the customer. Further, those indiduals expecting their company to hire them at high salaries and then train them up to the basic level of knowledge required.

As to looking to Asia, it simply wont work. The primary reason is that the education that comes out of Asian countries is little different that what comes out of the US schools and is arguably even further behind the current market.

You are correct that business is built around people. But what you FAIL to realize is that in the technical service field, the customer EXPECTS the engineer to deliver right away and NOT spend time learning the products on the customer's nickel. And if you try and put a so called engineer right out of school that does not even understand the current technical directions in the market, or even have the basic skills required, the customer will throw you out the door.

And in a SUCCESSFUL business, it is the CUSTOMER motivations that are most important not the employees. Because without customers, you will not have employees.
162 posted on 01/19/2006 11:12:54 AM PST by taxcontrol
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