Israel rules Pollard not prisoner of Zion

Science Daily ^ | January 16, 2006

[Howlin]

JERUSALEM, Jan. 16 (UPI) -- Israel's high court ruled Monday against convicted spy Jonathan Pollard's request to be deemed a prisoner of Zion and repatriated from the United States.

Pollard, a civilian U.S. Naval intelligence analyst pleaded guilty to espionage on June 4, 1986, and received a life sentence and a recommendation that he never be paroled.

He was granted Israeli citizenship in 1996 after Israel recognized his status as a spy and pledged to fund his legal expenses, the Jerusalem Post reported.

However, in court the government argued that Pollard cannot be granted the status because Zionist organizations and activities are not banned under U.S. law.

Pollard's wife, Esther, told Army Radio she found it "unbelievable" that Israel would work to release killers in other countries but let Pollard stay in prison.

[Johnnyboy2000]

Just because someone does not put Israeli interests ahead of American interests, it doesn't mean that they support islamists and it is insulting an inappropriate to suggest that. Don't accusse people of being terror sympathizers just because you cannot justiy the things Israel has done to damage US intersts. I've been on countless threads taking muslims to task and I'll take them to task when I see them. I think we are being way too soft on Iran and Pakistan.

By the way. Muslims hated the USSR also, so following your logic that means anyone who criticizes the USSR is a islamist terror sympathizer.

[familyop]

"...and keep the tens of billions of dollars worth of defense aid we send them every year."

So many people haven't seen the following, yet.

President Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leadership
The Rose Garden
June 24, 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020624-3.html
"The United States, the international donor community and the World Bank stand ready to work with Palestinians on a major project of economic reform and development. The United States, the EU, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund are willing to oversee reforms in Palestinian finances, encouraging transparency and independent auditing."

Quartet Joint Statement
Summary
July 16, 2002: Text of a joint statement issued by the "Quartet" (United Nations, Russian Federation, the United States and the European Union) following their meeting in New York
[Document behind the link.]
http://europa-eu-un.org/articles/sk/article_1489_sk.htm
"The new international Task Force on Reform, which is comprised of representatives of the U.S., EU, UN Secretary General, Russia, Japan, Norway, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, and which works under the auspices of the Quartet, will strive to develop and implement a comprehensive action plan for reform."

It's also revealing that you have a problem with money or loans to Israel, though Israel repays with interest by doing defense work for cowardly, backstabbing Europe (taking out Iraq's nuclear plant and the current begging of Israel to take out Iran's many facilities).

It doesn't surprise me, though, that so many national socialist Romanesque nations and sanguinary councils (neo-Nazis of both contemporary and Ancient stripes) want to pick on a country of only 6 million or so. ...shows what they're made of.

[rmlew]

I see you put loyalty to Israel ahead of loyalty to the US.
Not without divine intervention.

LBJ may have been a lousy President, but he doesn't have to withdraw from the area because the Israelis said so.
LBJ did not have to make the promise, but he did.
Thus Israel had no reason to believe that there were American ships in the area.

The fact is the Liberty was flying a huge US flag yet low-flying Israeli aircraft attacked it.
Fog of War. No American ships were supposed to be in the area.

Even when ships are known to be in an area, they can be misidentified. For instance, during the British capmaign to sink the Bismark, British bombers flying at only 100 knots attacked their own cruiser. The Swordfish were supposed to follow the HMS Sheffield, which was trailing hte Bismarck and attack the 40,000 ton battle ship. Instead, they attacked their own 8,000 ton cruiser!

How many times have our military forces bombed the wrong taget?

"What aid did Israel get from the US from 1948 until 1968?"
How about a country.
Huh? The US did nothing for Israel for those 20 years. In fact, one could argue that we wanted to see Israel destroyed. Although the US recognized Israel in 1948, we immediately enforced arms sanctions on Israel and the Arabs. The problem was that we already armed the Arabs either directly, or thorugh the british, who gave lend-lease equipment to the Egyptians and Transjordanians.
The ARabs had American tanks and fighter. Israel had virtually nothing but small arms.

[Johnnyboy2000]

"Not without divine intervention."

Okay. So I am justified in my belief that you are not all tha concerned with US national security.

"How many times have our military forces bombed the wrong taget?"

What do you mean "our"? Are you talking about Israel?

[rmlew]

"Not without divine intervention." Okay. So I am justified in my belief that you are not all tha concerned with US national security.
You have read it improperly. I am an American first and formest, until and unless there is divine intervention.
If the Messiah comes in my lifetime, all bets are off.

"How many times have our military forces bombed the wrong taget?"

What do you mean "our"? Are you talking about Israel?
No, I meant the US.

[Johnnyboy2000]

My bad. I was kind of just giving you a hard time. No offense meant.

[beckett]

Your argument in defense of Israel, and the facts garnered to bolster it, are praiseworthy and impressive, but I couldn't help but feel trapped when reading it. How much longer are we supposed to put up with this? Are we supposed to patiently listen to these arguments for another fifty years?

What if Truman had not recognized Israel, as many advised him to do? Would it have been wise for Truman to establish diplomatic relations with the State of Israel, thereby legitimizing it, if he had known that fifty years later Israel would still be struggling to survive, struggling to exist?

The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really. The present military engagements of this nation are directly linked to the founding of the State of Israel, and the subsequent geopolitical circumlocutions of that event, all the strenuous exclamations to the contrary by Israel's defenders notwithstanding.

This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism. The world, and the US, cannot afford another fifty years Middle East turmoil.

[drlevy88]

Even moderate Muslims believe in universal sharia

Sharia and sharia alike, my friend

[drlevy88]

Were Israel gone, you think the Moose madness would stop? No way. Along with the 47 years or so of Israel's existence, has developed about a half century of global petropolitics.

[familyop]

"If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist. They pick fights and hold very hard lines. They are not good neighbors and they have sowed the hatred against them. . .Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people."

That looks something that Ahmadinejad or a member of Hamas would say. You shouldn't sympathize with terrorist enemies of the USA. Europe needs Israel more than Israel needs old Europe.

New Iran missiles can reach London
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1227123/posts

Israel Successfully Tests Missile Defense (Arrow)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532846/posts

Israel Shoots Down Incoming Missile in Test of Arrow System
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532897/posts

And surprise, surprise,...

ARROW 2 THEATRE BALLISTIC MISSILE DEFENCE SYSTEM, ISRAEL" (Army-Technology.com)
"The Arrow 2 theatre ballistic missile defence system has been developed by the MLM Division of Israel Aircraft Industries and is in operation with the Israeli Defence Forces." Israel started anti-ballistic missile defense research and development in 1986.

Europe's looking at a lack of oil in the near future, too.

[Johnnyboy2000]

Very well said. You articulated what I was feeling in a less abrasive way than myself. I just seem to piss people off.

[Johnnyboy2000]

Israel can not stop Iran. Only America, Britain, Austrailia, the EU, Russia, and/or China can stop them. I am not crazy enough to think all of these countries will help with Iran, I am simply suggesting they are the only nations with the means to disarm Iran. Israel would not stand a chance against Iran. It is almost ridiculous that people are suggesting that it is even Israel's responsibility to take on a country that dwarfs it in population, size, and resources. This is the world's problem, which means it is America's and its allies to solve.

[familyop]

"The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really."

That makes the prophecy about that obsession by so many busy-body nations all the more interesting.

"This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors."

That kind of illogical, immoral equivalence between Israelis and the terrorist "neighbors" on our US list (Hamas, Hezbollah,...) is always surprising.

"Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism."

Wow. That's a slippery way of saying that Israel shouldn't exist. My advice to you is to try to begin to see the lack of credibility in comments by the likes of Ahmadinejad.

[A Jovial Cad]

I quote:

"The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really. The present military engagements of this nation are directly linked to the founding of the State of Israel, and the subsequent geopolitical circumlocutions of that event, all the strenuous exclamations to the contrary by Israel's defenders notwithstanding. This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business"

Such impassioned fervor! I hear the ghosts of many a glorious Nuremberg Rally past rattling to life, shaking off the dust, and sounding the old clarion call to action!...

"Or else they've got to go out of business"

And there ya are...Israel going "out of business" today would resemble something like that.

I'm sure such a repeat of history would bring forth from you an appropriate "cluck, cluck," followed by a soothing "How much longer are were we supposed to put up with this? Are Were we supposed to patiently listen to these arguments for another fifty years?"

The older I get, the less I'm surprised. Disgust has made up the loss.

[drlevy88]

Oh no, I'm sure the Mooses would hold off a decent time for the US to airlift them all out to, say, New Jersey. Then they would happily proceed to trash and poop all over a land as prized by Christians as by Jews. They've already just about chased all the Christians out of Jesus' birthplace.

[nickcarraway]

When has an Israeli strapped a bomb to himself? Because I am not aware of it ever happening.

[dennisw]

Keep your eye on the big picture JohnnyClown. Iran wants to get into your pants. Pollard and Israel are a sideshow. Iran is the main act

[familyop]

"Iran is the main act."

That's very true. I can't help but wonder if some of Iran's friends (nations) are going to have enough insanity to get into the act, and how. The vanities and paranoia of national socialism have been known to make unfriendly, expansionist leaders really nuts, and there's a lot of propaganda effort, especially overseas, to keep the focus on Israel and America.

[dennisw]

Your argument in defense of Israel, and the facts garnered to bolster it, are praiseworthy and impressive, but I couldn't help but feel trapped when reading it. How much longer are we supposed to put up with this? Are we supposed to patiently listen to these arguments for another fifty years?

What if Truman had not recognized Israel, as many advised him to do? Would it have been wise for Truman to establish diplomatic relations with the State of Israel, thereby legitimizing it, if he had known that fifty years later Israel would still be struggling to survive, struggling to exist?

The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really. The present military engagements of this nation are directly linked to the founding of the State of Israel, and the subsequent geopolitical circumlocutions of that event, all the strenuous exclamations to the contrary by Israel's defenders notwithstanding.

This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism. The world, and the US, cannot afford another fifty years Middle East turmoil.

LOL. I thought you had your shit together. You seem to be in a panic.
If only it were all so easy.
If only Iran could nuke Israel tomorrow so there would be no more Jew problem for you. What a pain in the ass these pesky Jews are!

But the world doesn't work like that. The next Muslim meal after Israel is Europe. That's your people. What are you going to do about that? Muslim birthrates will conquer Europe. China-Iran-Venezuela are scheming together. They are very hungry. Russia is very hungry too and schemes with them. They want control of world energy supplies. And we import 50% or more of our oil, gas energy requirements. Israel didn't invent the Iranian nuclear menace. The United States and Europe's energy cravings did. Israel didn't invent the new Moorish invasion of Europe. Blame your fellow Catholics and Christians for that. Israel has been strong against Islam and Europe very weak.

[dennisw]

Ever see the movie "The Edge"? Once a Kodiak bear tastes human blood that's what he wants to hunt, kill and eat again and again and again. A man killing machine.

IOW the Muslim world is back in Jihad mode after snoozing for a few centuries. It will not be content with obliterating Israel. China will help Iran. They hate the white man's West and will do their best to destroy it economically, demographically and more. China wants to grab Taiwan. Why do you think?