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Lawyer: Authorities were told student's gun was fake
CNN ^ | 1/14/06 | CNN

Posted on 01/15/2006 1:51:35 PM PST by wagglebee

LONGWOOD, Florida (CNN) -- The father and brother of a teenager shot at school Friday while brandishing a pellet gun told authorities before an officer opened fire that Christopher Penley's gun was not real, the family's attorney said Saturday.

The eighth-grader is clinically brain dead and being kept on life support to harvest his organs, attorney Mark Nation said.

When Ralph Penley arrived at the school Friday to help police and school officials defuse the situation, he wasn't allowed inside, Nation said.

Nation said Ralph Penley was "angry" because he had spoken to police before he arrived at the school and told them Christopher did not have a real gun. Christopher's younger brother told school officials the same thing, Nation said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: fakegun; schoolshooting
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To: teenyelliott
The pellet pierced her heart, and she died.

Thank, teeny!

I knew there was a recent case of someone being killed with a pellet gun but couldn't remember the circumstances. :)

41 posted on 01/15/2006 2:07:59 PM PST by MamaTexan ( * GOD * -- not government...... is the foundation of law in our American Republic!)
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To: Supernatural

What then was the alternative? What were they SUPPOSED to do?


42 posted on 01/15/2006 2:08:08 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: LibertarianCandidate

BS, Barney


43 posted on 01/15/2006 2:08:10 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: teenyelliott
The pellet pierced her heart, and she died.

Where I live, about 10 years ago, some drive-by guys shot a kid with a pellet gun. Same thing happened. He died, too. People don't realize that some pellet guns can and do kill. To say it is not a "real" gun is baloney. So let's tell this to the parents and the attorney and then tell them we are going to shoot them in the chest and see if they survive. Will they take the challenge?

44 posted on 01/15/2006 2:08:22 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: wagglebee
The one 911 hijackers father said on TV that his son would never do that either.
45 posted on 01/15/2006 2:08:26 PM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: wagglebee

A Pellet Gun is a real gun - it shoots pellets!

A fake gun is a fake gun - has no fire power.


46 posted on 01/15/2006 2:09:03 PM PST by purpleland (Elegy 9/11/01 Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: wagglebee

So what's the cop supposed to do, gamble his life on that tip being correct? I wouldn't take those odds. Kid wanted to die, the officer delivered. There's a reason that it's beaten into kids that a toy gun will get you just as dead as a real one when you point it at a cop.


47 posted on 01/15/2006 2:09:26 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: pcottraux

What if the child who was killed by the police was your child? What would you be saying then?


48 posted on 01/15/2006 2:09:46 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
It doesn't matter much if pop and brother tell the cops it isn't real. If he shows up on school grounds brandishing something that resembles the real deal, the cops have to presume it is and take him down. It's that simple.

Yup. That's why I never bother to tell the professional LEOs what I know until they are done doing their professional job. It's a waste of effort.

49 posted on 01/15/2006 2:10:12 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Supernatural

I'm thinking more along the line of a money happy lawyer.


50 posted on 01/15/2006 2:10:39 PM PST by Theresawithanh (You'll get me to stop posting on FR when you wrench my laptop from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: SRU308

Hey...those pellet guns can do some damage...especially co2 charged and shot into the head or face.


51 posted on 01/15/2006 2:10:57 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Proof against evolution:"Man is the only creature that blushes, or needs to" M.Twain)
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To: MineralMan

It wasn't a guy pointing a gun. It was a child with a BB gun. I think the cops overreacted. Result, one dead child. We'll see what the results of the civil suit are. I already know what the results of the internal police investigation will be. Great shooting! Give them all medals!


52 posted on 01/15/2006 2:11:33 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Supernatural

You're dodging my question. What were the cops supposed to do when someone points a gun at them?

I would probably be devastated. But we don't make laws/policies based on how people FEEL. I hate to say it, and I know it sounds callous, but if this kid was stupid enough to try a stunt like that, he got what he deserved.

And really, "child" is a misnomer. He was a 13-14 year-old. He was not a "child," he was old enough to think rationally and be a dangerous killer.


53 posted on 01/15/2006 2:12:02 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Supernatural

You could of avoided all this if you used /sarcasm


54 posted on 01/15/2006 2:13:00 PM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS!)
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To: Supernatural
A pellet gun is not a BB gun. And even a BB gun can put out an eye-- or kill.
55 posted on 01/15/2006 2:13:09 PM PST by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: LibertarianCandidate
So now we use a comedic 1950's TV cop "Barney Fife" to boaster a weak argument for trigger-happy cops...??

All you have to do is take a look at the "fake" gun, modified to look "real" and realize that it was being used to hold a hostage... (wake up and smell the coffee)
56 posted on 01/15/2006 2:13:27 PM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: Supernatural
If you killed a 13 or 14 year old child in exactly the same situation, you would be in jail on murder charges. End of story.

I would never be in the exact same situation, because no one is going to call me to deal with a psycho kid running around threatening others with what looks to be a real gun. I am not a cop, charged with protecting citizens.

And, if a 14 year old kid broke into my house brandishing a pellet gun as though it were real, I would be justified in killing him.

These cops had to assume that it was real. Err on the side of caution.

I am so tired of people bagging on cops. You would be in a world of hurt if they got fed up with being criticized by people like you.

Cops = good.

Stupid kids who threaten others with pellet guns that look real = bad

Take this from someone who has been shot at by a kid on a rampage in a school.

57 posted on 01/15/2006 2:13:41 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Supernatural
Great shooting! Give them all medals!
I think you might have a chip on your shoulder.
58 posted on 01/15/2006 2:14:25 PM PST by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: Right Wing Assault
So let's tell this to the parents and the attorney and then tell them we are going to shoot them in the chest and see if they survive. Will they take the challenge?

Exactly. Even better, have someone whom they do not know tell them he is about to shoot them with a pellet gun (one that might actually contain bullets, not pellets, for all they know), and see if they happily oblige.

59 posted on 01/15/2006 2:15:22 PM PST by KJC1
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To: gotribe

So the cop had to shoot him in the head? The cop stocks a .45 caliber hand gun, the force from the gun alone w/ the bullet going somewhere like his shoulder would have knocked the kid off his feet and most likely the gun out of his hand. Also, I thought cops wore kevlar under their uniforms.

I also read that he had a gun pointed to his head, then raised the gun towards the cop. If the gun was pointed at his head, then how could he raise it towards the cop. Not letting the father in to diffuse the situation was the worst thing that could have happened. Why would the person deny the father in if the kid was about to kill himself.

They should have shot him, but not in the head.


60 posted on 01/15/2006 2:15:36 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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