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To: GermanBusiness

"if you are implying that a sizable amount of American single men value the above"

As they become more conservative, they are rediscovering the value of chastity.

"...then you would be saying that American men are flying out of the country for foreign lands in order NOT to have so much intimate contact with women..."

Not at all. There is a huge difference between a nice girl who is saving herself for marriage, and a bitter harridan who uses sex, or the withholding thereof, to whipsaw men.

"and that American women better learn not to be so friendly with men, because it really turns American men off how friendly American women are."

There is a big difference between "friendly" and "willing to put out."

"The anti-male feminist movement in the USA does not promote friendliness between white capitalist men and any women, even for short-term relationships."

No, it doesn't, but it does dismiss the value of chastity and marriage, and "empower" women to seek sexual adventure if and as they please.

"Sex in the City" may present a pathetic view of Manhattan liberal women"

Never seen it.

"It is all about making sure that we are put in our place."

That's pretty much what I was saying. However, it is an exaggeration to say that women only date non-whites.

"By adopting what she calls repressive sexual politics and a victim mentality that harken back to Victorian notions of femininity"

Yeah, okay, but how many women take that so to heart that they are virgins at 30 because of it?

Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly.

As young women become more conservative, there will be a trend toward virginity until marriage, and marriage at a younger age.

The "not putting out" will not result from hatred of men or a victim mentality, but from self-respect, moral concerns, and a desire to save something very important for their husbands.


98 posted on 01/14/2006 5:26:57 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: dsc
[As they become more conservative, they are rediscovering the value of chastity.]

Misuse of the word "conservative". You mean as they become more religious or even more feminist (to the point of becoming lesbian). Chastity and feminism often actually go together. Look at Cher's daughter. Please read The New Victorians.

[Not at all. There is a huge difference between a nice girl who is saving herself for marriage, and a bitter harridan who uses sex, or the withholding thereof, to whipsaw men.] Correct, in your vision that they are opposite extremes of a vast continuum. But the true feminists wouldn't even bother to try to whipsaw you, so busy would they be with promoting lesbianism and sex with anti-capitalist males. Then, you can find plenty of bitter harridans in the USA who are fundamentalist Christians who will brag that the ultimate withholding of sex is a great way to whipsaw men. Please read The New Victorians to see how feminism is defined as being mostly against males and females getting to know each other sexually or otherwise.

There is no reason to leave the USA if you want a woman who will aggressively tell you what she wants and not care what you might want. If what you want is chastity...there is plenty of that in the USA. You'll find your match, but you might be playing by her rules and not yours, and there is no reason why a fundamentalist Christian women in America today wouldn't openly call herself a feminist. Plenty on FR fit this category. Chastity is not a feature alien to feminists.

I know plenty of American guys who go to Eastern Europe to find a marriage partner. The few fundamentalist Christians among them are living a fantasy if they think their newfound virgin would seriously insist on remaining so if he asked her not to. I've dated the strictest Russian Orthodox women. IMHO, the most stubborn fundamentalist Christian women on Earth will be the few fundamentalist Americans under 25...and not because they are more virtuous...but because the high standard of living in the USA makes them more proximal to American males and the liberal and man-hating competition is such that they can afford to withhold and state their own terms until the bargaining time runs out or they just grow out of religious fundamentalism. The new crop of South Park Conservative women will significantly reduce the power of fundamentalist Christian women in the USA as well as foreign women, because American men will find more conservative women next door who aren't into leftist feminism or Christian feminism.

I would agree with any FReminist here who would tell you that you don't have to leave the USA and marry Asian women to get fundamentalist Christian or Islamic values.

If you are making the rules, that is fine (to include if you think God is making the rules). But if you are suggesting that women should make the rules in dating, Take away the bitter harridan part and replace her with a nice American woman who just wants to find a nice guy to date...and the issue of sex is neutralized for most men. He may still not like the fact that this woman voted for John Kerry. He may still not like the fact that "and that American women better learn not to be so friendly with men, because it really turns American men off how friendly American women are." There is a big difference between "friendly" and "willing to put out."

101 posted on 01/14/2006 6:43:19 AM PST by GermanBusiness
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