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To: joseph20
Regarding section 1802, why do you claim that subsection (a)(1)(A) is important, but that subsection (a)(1)(B) is not important?

(A), (B), and (C) are *all* important. The AG has to certify to all three. Identifying an appropriate target, however, is the first step.

But section 1802, subsection (a)(1)(B) has no such restriction.

Doesn't matter. (A) defines the target. (B) and (C) deal with what happens after the target is defined. It's not (A), (B), or (C). It's (A), (B), and (C).

It is stated in section 1801, subsection (i) that a United States person does not include persons that are in association with a foreign power.

No, as I explained earlier, it doesn't say that. It says,

“United States person” means
an unincorporated association [unless that association is a foreign power, as defined in subsection (a)(1), (2), or (3)] a substantial number of members of which are citizens of the United States or aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence

You're simply reading the definition of U.S person incorrectly. "U.S. person" has four meanings:
1. a U.S. citizen
2. a lawful permanent resident
3. a corporation which is incorporated in the United States
or
4. an unincorporated association a substantial number of members of which are U.S. citizens or permanent residents.

The phrase "but does not include a corporation or an association which is a foreign power..." does nothing except to exclude from meanings 3 and 4 those corporations and unincorporated associations which also happen to be 1801(a)(1-3) foreign powers. The phrase in no way modifies meanings 1 and 2. Citizens and residents are not corporations. Nor are they associations. Citizens and residents are just individuals.

35 posted on 01/14/2006 9:54:12 PM PST by Sandy
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To: Sandy

Like who really cares... I don't think that 99.999% Of our intercepted conversations really matters much... this is a non-event in my terms. Those making a big deal are just trying real hard to make an issue where there isn't one


36 posted on 01/14/2006 10:29:25 PM PST by alligator (To be ignorant of one's ingorance is the malady of the ignorant.)
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To: Sandy
This really does not add up at all.

According to you, terrorists do not meet the definition of a "foreign power" set forth in section 1801(a)(1-3).

Are you then saying that it is a violation of FISA to conduct warantless electronic surveillance against terrorists?

And why do you say that an "agent of a foreign power" is not considered to be in association with a foreign power? If an agent of a foreign power is considered to be in association with a foreign power, then they would be excluded from the definition of a United States person according to section 1801, subsection (i).
37 posted on 01/14/2006 10:34:51 PM PST by joseph20
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