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Courage Under Fire Pat Robertson isn’t playing some pernicious political game
www.jnewswire.com ^ | January 11th, 2006 | Stan Goodenough

Posted on 01/11/2006 10:59:55 AM PST by Esther Ruth

Courage under fire Pat Robertson isn’t playing some pernicious political game

By Stan Goodenough

January 11th, 2006

“Instructive” is a good word for describing the reaction to Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) President Pat Robertson’s remarks about the stroke that incapacitated Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon last week.

Certainly it took immense courage of conviction for an influential man like the former candidate for the American presidency to say something he knew would enrage many people and put ammunition into the hands of his avowed enemies, and to nonetheless say it because he believes it is true, and because his conscience directs him to do so.

He had something of a trial run a few months ago when he came out in support of the idea that the USA assassinate Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez.

But when Robertson expressed his views about Sharon just that this past week, hell itself seemed to unleash its fury against him.

Speaking on his flagship program, “The 700 Club,” Robertson said that God had removed Sharon from power because of the prime minister’s expressed determination to redraw Israel’s borders and give away great chunks of the nation’s historic homeland.

Sharon had been dividing God’s land, Robertson said. “And I would say woe unto any Prime Minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United Nations, or the United States of America. God says ‘this land belongs to me. You’d better leave it alone.’”

Interestingly, godless people often judge the motives of God-fearing men and women in a negative light; presuming that they revel in the suffering or discomfort of those who do not believe.

Thus, while nothing in Robertson’s demeanor, expression or tone of voice suggested that he felt anything but compassion and concern for Sharon, his words triggered a tsunami of outrage that has yet to subside.

A columnist in The Jerusalem Post (January 11, 2006) declared that Robertson had been “gloating over Sharon’s collapse.”

The same edition of the Post labeled Robertson a “PM Basher” and reported that the Israeli Tourism Ministry had, in reaction to the comments, cancelled a multi-million dollar joint tourism project for which CBN was to be one of the chief fundraisers.

CBS News described Robertson’s remarks as “stinging.”

The self-styled People for the American Way – a group that denies the Christian origins of the United States and champions that country’s surrender to secularism – lashed out at Robertson’s “insensitivity and arrogance.”

Ynetnews’ “Christian” Arab commentator Ray Hanania called Robertson an “American racist,” a “demagogue” who was “worse than Islamic extremists.”

Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention told the Los Angeles Times he was “appalled that Pat Robertson would make such statements. …The arrogance of the statement shocks me almost as much as the insensitivity of it.”

The executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, Reverend Barry Lynn, accused Robertson of “making callous political points while a man is struggling for his life.”

The Anti Defamation League’s Abraham Foxman said Robertson’s remarks were “un-Christian and a perversion of religion.”

Even the White House was embarrassed, calling Robertson’s statements: “wholly inappropriate and offensive” and saying they “really don't have a place in this or any other debate.”

We strongly differ with the Bush administration on that one. How the Almighty feels about the international effort to steal Israel’s land has a very definite place in the debate. It’s a major topic in His Word.

A friend of mine says that, to know what is important to God, just look at where the devil is directing his attacks; to know what Satan fears and loathes, identify the focal point of his hatred and rage.

All this anger is being aimed at Robertson for one primary reason: He told the truth (and yes, he told it in love), and the truth hurt.

Robertson’s words were not an attack on Sharon. He was not kicking an already injured man. He was not wishing for the prime minister’s death or saying the stroke “served him right.”

The Christian broadcaster was alerting any future Israeli leader, and any American leader too, to the divinely-ordained consequences of dividing up the land of Israel.

And he was expressing the conviction held by many Christians, as well as by many Jews in Israel.

But what about the timing of Robertson’s remarks?

Among those who agree that God did intervene to stop Sharon from implementing his policies, some have opined that Robertson should not have spoken out so soon after the stroke. For a variety of reasons they would have preferred it if he had perhaps waited for a little while before saying anything.

One wonders how successful Moses would have been in winning freedom for his people if he had waited for injured bodies and raw emotions to heal before appealing yet again to Pharaoh to let his people go.

Had Moses waited respectfully for the mourning and burial of Egypt’s first born to be over before demanding the Israelites’ release, they would never have been set free. As it was, within hours of burying his own son, Pharaoh was in hot, vengeful pursuit of the just-emancipated slaves.

Sometimes it is important and most effective to strike while the iron is still hot.

Putting a hand to the division of the Land of Israel is not some irrelevant political action that could be forgotten or re-addressed in a few weeks or months.

It is a potentially deadly business that demands a quick and forthright response.

Why deadly? Because those committed to creating “two states for two people” out of the Jewish people’s patrimony are actively (and in some cases it can be strongly argued, purposefully) pushing the nation of Israel down the road to destruction.

Whether being driven by US President George W. Bush or Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, ancient and recent history solidly attest to the fact that this vision endangers the very existence of Israel’s Jews, who themselves comprise the remnant of those who, within living memory, were mass-murdered on the European continent.

God will not sit still while this continues. He is furious with the nations, and has resolved to deal with those who so threaten His own.

Every good citizen of God’s Kingdom should proclaim this truth from the rooftops, echoing Robertson when he said:

“Woe to any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United Nations, or the United States of America.”

Thanks to the wide reach of CBN, and the incensed response to what Robertson said, this warning has now been proclaimed around the globe.

Whoever wants to hear it will hear it. None who reject it will be able to say: “We were not warned; we did not know.”

May God honor Pat Robertson, who has kept his vow never to turn his back on Israel or to abandon her.

Identifying the diplomatic process that means to establish an enemy Arab state on Israel’s land, he spoke out of love for the Jewish people and out of concern for their wellbeing.

To have done anything less would have been a betrayal of his beliefs. Any true friend of Israel’s should see this, applaud it, and emulate it.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 700clubskookymullah; 700koolaiddrinker; christianstupidity; divide; israel; moneygrubber; patrobertson; patsfullofhotgas; patthemoonbat; robertson; sharon
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To: Esther Ruth
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61 posted on 01/11/2006 1:15:44 PM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: Blessed

http://watch.org/index.html?mcat=4
Under "Expossing Error" - there is much information here.


62 posted on 01/11/2006 1:15:53 PM PST by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3 Genesis 12:1-3 ***ZECH 12:3)
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To: dmz
Those sound like Pat's words, not G-d'.

He actually quoted Joel 3:1, if you watched the entire segment.

I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; [aka Har Megedo, aka Armageddon] and I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. Joel 3:2
63 posted on 01/11/2006 1:16:29 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Jess Kitting

You are quite correct. I just can't keep my Kims straight, it appears. :)


64 posted on 01/11/2006 1:17:53 PM PST by Restorer
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To: safisoft

You're a moving target.

so Pat used some of God's words and some of his own. That's different from your original statement.


65 posted on 01/11/2006 1:18:26 PM PST by dmz
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To: Siena Dreaming

You're better then Robertson.

You know which passages of the Bible God meant for you to take seriously (and interpret your way) and when he was just joking (and meant for you to ignore).


66 posted on 01/11/2006 1:18:34 PM PST by Sabramerican (Directions to Train Boxcars: Smola, Smola, Kadima.)
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To: Sabramerican

I am not arguing that good is not rewarded and evil punished on the scale of eternity. I am arguing that Robertson's claim that a specific health problem of Mr. Sharon was God's punishment for one of his policies is remarkably naive.

If you believe that we are all punished or rewarded by God in this life, you are forced to confront the indisputable fact that evil men often seem to thrive. Most religious leaders got around this awkward fact thousands of years ago by moving the reward/punishment to the next life, where nobody could actually check up on whether these expectations were fulfilled.


67 posted on 01/11/2006 1:22:23 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Esther Ruth

Pure spin.

Nothing can change the fact that Robertson made a stupid comment. Even those who agree with him should be smart enough to see how poorly timed it was, and that it was in poor taste (to say the least).

The sad part is that Pat Robertson has managed to make ALL Christians look bad, not just himself.


68 posted on 01/11/2006 1:22:46 PM PST by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: Sabramerican
You know which passages of the Bible God meant for you to take seriously

ALL scripture is to be taken seriously...there's no doubt about that.

But the New Testament makes it clear that God's chosen expanded beyond Israel with Christ's coming.

An earlier poster on this forum said it was heresy to suggest that those redeemed by Christ were now the chosen.

That's what kind twisted doctrines you get when you interpret the prophets only in the light of current events.

69 posted on 01/11/2006 1:25:28 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Esther Ruth
Certainly it took immense courage of conviction stupidity for an influential man a moron like the former candidate for the American presidency to say something he knew would enrage many people so utterly asinine and put ammunition into the hands of his avowed the enemies of Christ

There, fixed it.

70 posted on 01/11/2006 1:26:19 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Restorer

What if it's not reward or punishment.

What if it a sign that says enough of what you are doing.

So one get a minor stroke and miraculously walks away from it unharmed.

But doesn't get the message. And continues in the same path.

So he needs a stronger message.


71 posted on 01/11/2006 1:27:49 PM PST by Sabramerican (Directions to Train Boxcars: Smola, Smola, Kadima.)
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To: Siena Dreaming
Much poetry is meant for imagery (a good example is David's writing) for effect.

So have you even read this poetry?

I will also gather all nations, and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there on account of My people, My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations (Sorry, pseudo-Israelites, or 'spiritual' Israelites do not qualify) ; they have also divided up My land.

Proclaim this among the nations: "Prepare for war! Wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near, let them come up. Beat your plowshares into swords And your pruning hooks into spears
(Hey, UN, you do you recognize those words?); let the weak say, 'I am strong.'"

Assemble and come, all you nations, and gather together all around/. Cause Your mighty ones to go down there, O L-RD. "Let the nations be wakened, and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations. Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, go down; for the winepress is full, the vats overflow - for their wickedness is great."

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the L-RD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and moon will grow dark, and the stars will diminish their brightness. The L-RD also will roar from Zion, and utter His voice from Jerusalem; The heavens and earth will shake; but the L-RD will be a shelter for His people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

"So you shall know that I am the L-RD your G-d, dwelling in Zion My holy mountain. Then Jerusalem shall be holy, and no aliens shall ever pass through her again."
Joel 3:2; 9-17

Poetic language? Yes. Metaphor? Clearly not.
72 posted on 01/11/2006 1:29:13 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Sabramerican
If the President of Iran had a stroke and Robertson said that maybe God did it to prevent him from carrying out his evil plans against Israel, Jews, no one would say a word.

I would, especially if the President of Iran was in his 70s, overweight and out of shape. Robertson is a moron to think he can make such a statement and not get called on it.

73 posted on 01/11/2006 1:30:01 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Why don't you consider the New Testament to be full of flowery poetic language not all to be taken seriously?

At the end you can believe what you like, just appreciate that it carries no consistency.


74 posted on 01/11/2006 1:32:44 PM PST by Sabramerican (Directions to Train Boxcars: Smola, Smola, Kadima.)
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To: safisoft
So have you even read this poetry?

Of course. Many times.

Beat your plowshares into swords And your pruning hooks into spears

Yes, much is metaphor including this passage. These are not literal plowshares or pruning hooks. These are Metaphors.

75 posted on 01/11/2006 1:34:10 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Sabramerican
Why don't you consider the New Testament to be full of flowery poetic language not all to be taken seriously?

Again, all scripture is to be taken seriously.

And the New Testament also contains poetic language.

76 posted on 01/11/2006 1:35:21 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Esther Ruth

I think Robertson went too far, to judging Sharon. All he needed to say was that God was preventing his nation from being sold out, whether maliciously or mistakenly. A more pragmatic call on the situation would have been sufficient, and wouldn't have roiled the waters so.

But moderation often seems not to be an especially strong point of American evangelicals. May God bless them.

Paul


77 posted on 01/11/2006 1:35:48 PM PST by Paul_B
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To: EternalHope
Just because the White House holds to Replacement Theology DOES NOT buy them 8 years of silence from the rest of Christendom - but nice try.
78 posted on 01/11/2006 1:37:00 PM PST by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3 Genesis 12:1-3 ***ZECH 12:3)
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To: Sabramerican
You know which passages of the Bible God meant for you to take seriously (and interpret your way) and when he was just joking (and meant for you to ignore).

LOL! The supercessionist practices a questionable hermaneutic, and a hermaneutic it really is. Many 'Christians' practice hermaneutics to deduce the meaning of the text. You know, Hermes the demi-god who explains what the g-ds meant to the pagan Greeks. Their weird hermaneutic is exactly as you describe it: Literal if it fits what I want it to say, and metaphor (or "poetry") if I don't like what it says.

How fitting. For interpretation of Scripture, using a method which is named for a pagan demi-god.
79 posted on 01/11/2006 1:39:32 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Blessed
"That is old heresy not currently accepted by any orthodox Christian denomination."

You reveal yourself to be a biblical illiterate.

80 posted on 01/11/2006 1:40:26 PM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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