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Teens charged after rifle exchange (more zero tolerance at school?)
Finger Lakes Times ^ | Wednesday, January 11, 2006 | By DENISE M. CHAMPAGNE

Posted on 01/11/2006 10:58:18 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

OVID NY— Two teenagers were charged Tuesday after allegedly having a rifle in the parking lot of South Seneca Central Junior/Senior High School at 7263 Main St.

District Superintendent Janie Nusser said a student came on campus with a rifle in her car to give it to the rifle’s owner who was another student. She said they made the transfer in the school parking lot in violation of board policy and state law.

“I think when students saw the rifle, they were concerned and reported it to adults and we immediately called law enforcement,” Nusser said.

“I think what heightened people’s concerns was the student that was the owner of the gun had been involved in an argument with another student just prior to the transfer. At this time in the investigation, we do not see a connection between the two incidents.”

Nusser said the incident happened at the end of the school day and reports of a lockdown are untrue.

“It’s an ongoing investigation, so for me to give you much information would be premature,” she said.

Nusser would not name the students, but Seneca County sheriff’s deputies charged Jeffrey R. Warne, 17, of 7904 Route 89, Interlaken, and Jessica L. Prindle-Ike, 16, of 8494 Mill St., Lodi, with fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon.

Deputies said the .22-caliber rifle was not pointed at anyone during the incident.

The teens were ticketed and are to appear Jan. 30 in Ovid Town Court.


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To: dmz
Try openly carrying your loaded AR-15 to the mall tonight.

Mall's are private property and entered by me (rarely)by my consent. Same as my neighbors house - public schools are Publicly funded, mandated and participation is strictly enforced (all to my great dismay).

21 posted on 01/11/2006 11:22:44 AM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Political correctness and zero tolerance means that you treat a kid with a .22 rifle in his trunk the same as a Crips banger with a Tec-9 in the hallway.


22 posted on 01/11/2006 11:23:40 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: lightingguy

The best one I heard happened in Western Washington when a boy was suspended for bringing a G.I.Joe gun to school. It was one inch long. Made of plastic.


23 posted on 01/11/2006 11:24:09 AM PST by irishtenor (At 270 pounds, I am twice the bike rider Lance is.)
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To: American_Centurion

No, the right to bear arms doesn't extend to minors. Just like the right to vote and unlimited free speech don't extend to them either. The courts have ruled repeatedly, and the Supreme Court has affirmed, that minors do not share the same legal rights and responsibilities as adults. This protects society by preventing 15 year olds from electing Brittney Spears president, and it protects kids by preventing the government from drafting them.

The second amendment is no more or less important than any of the other amendments from a legal standpoint.

As for this particular case, I agree with them being punished. If a passing police officer had seen kids with rifles in the parking lot, this could have easily become a tragic situation. That's not even getting into the reality that these doofuses publically displayed the fact that they were leaving a firearm in an unsecured and unprotected vehicle all day. Even if these kids meant no harm, it's incredibly easy to pop the trunk on a car, and anyone who saw them swap the rifle could have stolen it in a matter of minutes.

There's a lot of stupid in this story, and most of it belongs to the two kids.


24 posted on 01/11/2006 11:29:53 AM PST by Arthalion
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Yea, that will stop anyone bent on murder.

I didn't say it would stop anyone bent on murder. I said it's against the law.

I frequently will not think about taking my gun off when I'm going somewhere such as the post office where it is illegal for me to have my gun. But I've never been charged for having a gun where I wasn't supposed to because I've never taken it out and showed it around.

Whether or not these kinds of zero tolerance laws are good or bad isn't the point. The point is, if you have a rifle on school property you are violating the law. You don't then announce the presence of the gun by taking the rifle out of your car to exchange it with someone else in front of witnesses.

This was just poor judgment on the part of the kids.

25 posted on 01/11/2006 11:32:11 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: American_Centurion

Do you think its wrong that airlines make passengers declare amd/or check their firearms?

Even peace officers surrender their weapons when visiting prisoners in jail.

Seems prudent to restrict firearms in some places. Any place that serves liquor comes to my mind. I've got no problem with school grounds being one of the "off-limits" places. If this girl had common sense she would have done the exchange at one of their homes, or some more appropriate place.

I would say she is not one of the sharper knives in the drawer. And her sense of good judgement is lacking. I hope her parents make her pay the fine and then take her rifle.


26 posted on 01/11/2006 11:33:36 AM PST by YankeeGirl (Certa bonum certamen)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Political correctness and zero tolerance means that you treat a kid with a .22 rifle in his trunk the same as a Crips banger with a Tec-9 in the hallway.

It's a rifle. It's school grounds. These should not mix.

Unless it's a firearms class with a certified adult instructor and adequate security.

27 posted on 01/11/2006 11:37:57 AM PST by YankeeGirl (Certa bonum certamen)
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To: YankeeGirl

Should you are I be allowed to CCW on school grounds?


28 posted on 01/11/2006 11:39:31 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: silentknight
How stupid can a kid be?

They went to public school- I think that leaves the answer to your question astronomically large. In fact they could be stupid enough to vote democrat or stupid enough to think the government is their friend.

29 posted on 01/11/2006 11:40:00 AM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: Arthalion; YankeeGirl
First I never said that the teens shouldn't be punished nor did I state that there were not circumstances where firearms should be restricted.

As far as who the Bill of Rights pertains to, my answer stands as every single living American. Yes those rights have been curbed and infringed, and that may have been upheld by the USSC in many cases. The fact that the USSC has been complicit in infringing upon God given rights does not surprise me in the least. Inevitably every government will break the bounds of it's constraints, it's survival depends solely on how skillfully it does so.

Another Freeper pointed out that if a law merely stating an age can curb that right, then what will prevent the Government from simply stating that 100 is the age all constitutional rights apply? That wouldn't be skillful, but it would be the death knell for this current iteration of the United States.
30 posted on 01/11/2006 11:43:44 AM PST by American_Centurion (A liberal is a socialist who isn't quite willing to get blood on his hands yet. -KarlInOhio)
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To: YankeeGirl
It's a rifle. It's school grounds. These should not mix.

I agree - ban the school not the rifle. Schools are the greater threat to America by far.

31 posted on 01/11/2006 11:44:21 AM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: DaveyB
"When you enter a school yard and leave the USA what country do you enter? the NEA?"

A very strange and creepy place where the incompetent and the cruel reign in terror and blithering idiocy. Ruled by the NEA it is a region where up becomes down, right becomes wrong, sane becomes insane.

It is a nightmare of suffocating Political Correctness that quenches every spark of human ingenuity or ambition. Children who are sent there return with insipid ideas of a relativity based reality and empty of moral values.

In short entering a school yard is entering hell on earth. Ordinary rules and regulations no longer apply. Only the strong survive.
32 posted on 01/11/2006 11:45:45 AM PST by monday
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To: Tijeras_Slim
" I used to shoot .22 target rifle at a range IN the High School."

But that was during the Eisenhower Administration when things were different. :-)

33 posted on 01/11/2006 11:47:17 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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To: verity

Nixon actually.


34 posted on 01/11/2006 11:47:36 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: craig_eddy; Arthalion; YankeeGirl
craig_eddywrote Does that right (which I fully support) extend to minors? I'm unclear on that.

Arthalion wrote No, the right to bear arms doesn't extend to minors.

yankeegirl wrote it Seems prudent to restrict firearms in some places.

not having that right extend to minors has got minors murdered. even minors have the inalienable right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and if they have the inalienable right to life they have the right to defend their life by any means necessary click the link

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jan-08-Sun-2006/news/4951446.html

35 posted on 01/11/2006 11:54:08 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: MineralMan
If you have kids in school, do make sure they know that it's illegal to take firearms to school, even in the car trunk.

What law is that?

36 posted on 01/11/2006 11:56:06 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi

"What law is that?"

Depends where you are. Most states have laws prohibiting firearms from schoolgrounds.


37 posted on 01/11/2006 11:59:27 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Things sure have changed since I was in HS. If you owned a truck, you had a gunrack in it. If you drove a car, there was the trunk.


38 posted on 01/11/2006 12:00:16 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: MineralMan
So in your world the rights and responsibilities of todays youth being limited by the actions of gang bangers is common sense?
39 posted on 01/11/2006 12:02:41 PM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

"They still have rifle teams associated with JROTC here in NM, but use precision air rifles (no lead remediation problems, no hearing protection needed, and the range can be a classroom with a cinderblock wall as a backstop in case they miss the pellet trap) "

Good deal! I like air rifles, and have a 10 meter range in my basement. It's great fun when company's over, and everybody gets to shoot. I've introduced the kids in my wife's family to shooting there. Nobody else in the family is into guns at all. Still, everyone has a good time trying to hit those tiny little targets.

They're a great introduction to firearms and firearms safety. All the rules I'd apply to any range apply to that 10 meter range.


40 posted on 01/11/2006 12:03:48 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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