Teens charged after rifle exchange (more zero tolerance at school?)

Finger Lakes Times ^ | Wednesday, January 11, 2006 | By DENISE M. CHAMPAGNE

[Behind Liberal Lines]

OVID NY— Two teenagers were charged Tuesday after allegedly having a rifle in the parking lot of South Seneca Central Junior/Senior High School at 7263 Main St.

District Superintendent Janie Nusser said a student came on campus with a rifle in her car to give it to the rifle’s owner who was another student. She said they made the transfer in the school parking lot in violation of board policy and state law.

“I think when students saw the rifle, they were concerned and reported it to adults and we immediately called law enforcement,” Nusser said.

“I think what heightened people’s concerns was the student that was the owner of the gun had been involved in an argument with another student just prior to the transfer. At this time in the investigation, we do not see a connection between the two incidents.”

Nusser said the incident happened at the end of the school day and reports of a lockdown are untrue.

“It’s an ongoing investigation, so for me to give you much information would be premature,” she said.

Nusser would not name the students, but Seneca County sheriff’s deputies charged Jeffrey R. Warne, 17, of 7904 Route 89, Interlaken, and Jessica L. Prindle-Ike, 16, of 8494 Mill St., Lodi, with fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon.

Deputies said the .22-caliber rifle was not pointed at anyone during the incident.

The teens were ticketed and are to appear Jan. 30 in Ovid Town Court.

[DaveyB]

But it doesn't grant permission for minors to hold a gun either. So since it's not explicit you can't call yourself a strict constitutionalist now can you?

The Bill of Rights does not grant permission to citizens - It grants rights - like to keep and bear arms. The constitution however, does grant permission (powers) to the Federal Government with in strict limits. What ever is not expressly given to the government is left to the states and the people.

I don't need permission it is my right. The Government needs permission that is what the Constitution is all about!

[PeterFinn]

We have every right to try to change the law if we disagree with it, but until we're successful at changing it we need to live within it. Or be willing to suffer the consequences. Yep. All them Jews who died in Germany should've shut the hell up and gone peaceably to the death camps or politely lobbied their government to change the law. An unjust, immoral, or simply repressive law is no law at all. And enforcing such a law because, "I was ordered to", is not an excuse for violating the unalienable rights bestowed by our Creator. Resisting such a thing is a civic obligation in the USA as per the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal Charter to which the United States is a signatory and whose codicils became, in effect, US law when the Senate approved the treaty. So, it is actually the law in this country to resist those laws and law enforcers whose actions are contrary to civil rights and the Constitution which enumerates those rights.

[SittinYonder]

LOL. The Holocaust and laws forbidding weapons on school property are not equitable. That's a non-starter.

Resisting such a thing is a civic obligation in the USA

Since you feel that way, please update me after you take your rifle to your local school campus raving about repressive laws being no law at all. I'm really curious about what the bond will be.

Do you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon?

[PeterFinn]

Do you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon? No. Nor will I ever get one. A carry permit is just gun registration by other means. Alaska and Vermont are the only two states that understand that and allow *any* law abiding citizen to carry concealed whenever they feel like it. Which is how it should be.

[PeterFinn]

Amen to this and your post previous to it.

[PeterFinn]

Introducing a firearm into an open and unsecured enviroment like that parking lot is a guaranteed recipe for trouble from every direction. Your statement is an argument for gun control anywhere and everywhere.

[ExSoldier]

No, if you read the whole statement, I did say that they could have gone around the block to carry out their transfer safely and out of sight. But there is a reason we don't let 13 year olds drive, or vote. They are not mature enough to handle the responsibility. I believe the gun prohibitions on campus for students are quite reasonable. If you saw the number of fights I see everyday, you'd understand. Kids are nothing but hormones out of control. But I do think that allowing teachers to bring firearms to school is a good idea.

[Eagle Eye]

I used to have a .22 rifle in the trunk of my car when I was in high school.

Ted Kennedy's driving is more dangerous.

[ExSoldier]

Those rights extend to every single living american. _____________

Not true. All have a right to free speech, but a teacher can and should tell a boisterous student to sit down and shut up. We have a right to be protercted to warrantless search but a students locker and book bag can be searched at will.

Do you know why schools have this right? Because minors do not enjoy those 1st, 2nd, or 4th Amendment rights at home. Schools act in loco parentis or...in place of the parent. So the right of a parent to search his kids room therefore extends to the school. A parent can deny his child have access to firearms for the duration of his childhood. But notice that any student actually arrested on campus is afforded his full 5th Amendment rights. Parents do not have arrest powers.

[American_Centurion]

Schools act in loco parentis or...in place of the parent.

There is the number 1 problem with our schools. I know you didn't mean it that way, but entirely too many "parents" let the schools do the only "parenting" the child will ever know. However, I disagree with the schools having it "right". If they did you wouldn't witness as many fights as you proclaimed earlier in the thread. The schools in fact have it dead wrong. Our government schools have failed us, they can't fix it, problem parents won't fix it, and teachers aren't allowed to fix it.

[PeterFinn]

Okay, I see. I stand corrected (-;

[ExSoldier]

I disagree with the schools having it "right". If they did you wouldn't witness as many fights as you proclaimed earlier in the thread. The schools in fact have it dead wrong. Our government schools have failed us, they can't fix it, problem parents won't fix it, and teachers aren't allowed to fix it.

Truer words were never spoken!

We had a faculty meeting on Wednesday. We were told that there will be new discipline rules in effect because the district is displeased with the number of outdoor suspensions we had last year: seven thousand for a population of just 1,800 students! My department head made the observation that it's probably the same fifty students caught in the revolving door.

Now they have to progress through a linear plan where we have to first verbally warn them, then they get a parent conference with a guidance counselor, next they are encouraged to seek remediation with a peer group counselor, THEN they have to attend regular sessions with the TRUST counselor....(remember, each of these steps consists of a different violation EACH time) so by the time you get to FIVE you're finally talking about the kid seeing an administrator! But wait! That's only halfway to a trip home on outdoor suspension. The final step is (get this) alternatives to outdoor suspension which commences a whole new slate of programs and "interventions." This is for each and every kid who gives you trouble. And they wonder why veteran teachers like me are leaving the classroom. But I won't quit. If I did, that would just let all the liberals free to spew their lies without any counterbalance.

[ExSoldier]

The Bill of Rights does not grant permission to citizens - It grants rights - like to keep and bear arms.

~Assumes position behind podium and puts on "teacher face"~

NO NO NO NO! The Bill of Rights does NOT grant you ANY rights! According to the Founding Fathers, you always HAD those rights! They were granted to you by God and only God can take them away. The Bill of Rights sole purpose is to act as a restraint on government. It tells the government what it cannot do to the citizenry. Trust me, I'm a former Social Studies Teacher of the Year for my school.

[ExSoldier]

Every educrat is a thug.

Some are Freepers. Or are you referring to educators who are also democrats? Because that would be about 90% of them, but they don't qualify as thugs. Morons? Sure, but not thugs.

[American_Centurion]

I really feel bad for the dedicated teachers who have to tolerate students who are unwilling to learn, parents who don't care, and administrators who are primarily interested in avoiding bad press.

I salute you for your unwillingness to quit, but I wouldn't blame you if you did.

[Porterville]

So much queerness these days. I remeber when I was in High School I carried my .22 rifle with me all over the place. One time a police officer was searching my car, asked me about my rifle; I said I live on a farm (which I did) He shrugged.

I also remember rifles and shot guns on the gun racks of other students. What is wrong with our country today?

[Porterville]

That is carried my rifle in the car all over the place.

[ExSoldier]

I salute you for your unwillingness to quit, but I wouldn't blame you if you did.

Actually, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. My wife is a teacher and has been teaching twice as long as I have. She retires with full pension in five years and we're already working our finances so that I'll take a partial retirement and we'll just walk away. Bills paid off, new cars paid off, DONE. We plan to move to the mountains and build a nice little "Hobbit Home" (earth sheltered) and live simply until it's time to go home to the Lord. Or better yet, he comes back for us.