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Holy War: The Year the Muslims Took Rome
Chiesa.com ^ | January 5, 2005 | Sandro Magister

Posted on 01/05/2006 6:25:09 AM PST by NYer

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To: Aliska
For some bizarre, inscructable reason, they see Islam as less threatening than Christianity.

No, its quite simple. Islam winks and nods at sexual immorality that Christianity utterly condemns. It really is all about sex.

21 posted on 01/05/2006 7:48:08 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: NYer
Interesting article. Wish the school systems would teach history as it happened and not agenda driven politicalzation.
22 posted on 01/05/2006 7:56:27 AM PST by kindred (Lord,thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:)
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To: NYer
That night, the basilica of St. Peter gleamed with breathtaking brilliance. A few years earlier, Leo III’s predecessor, pope Hadrian I, had covered the entire floor of the sanctuary with plates of silver; he had covered the walls with gold plates and enclosed it all with a balustrade of gold weighing 1,328 pounds. He had remade the sanctuary gates with silver, and had placed on the iconostasis six images also made of silver, representing Christ, Mary, the archangels Gabriel and Michael, and saints Andrew and John. Finally, in order to make this splendor visible to all, he had ordered the assembly of a candelabrum in the form of a huge cross, on which 1,365 candles burned.

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What happened is that in 846 some Muslim Arabs arrived in a fleet at the mouth of the Tiber, made their way to Rome, sacked the city, and carried away from the basilica of St. Peter all of the gold and silver it contained.

Frankly, with no disrespect meant to the Pope, any time you cover a Church with that much gold and silver the proper response is for someone to sack the Church and deflate your ego a bit. That much money on the floor is just asking for it. Make it beautiful and opulent, but its not a palace, it’s a Church. That much gold and silver, imho, moves beyond providing the proper respect to the Tabernacle, and begins to shift the focus to men and their wealth, detracting from the worship of God. The muslims probably did us a favor in sacking it.

patent

23 posted on 01/05/2006 7:59:16 AM PST by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: NYer
There's an area north of St Tropez known today as 'Les Maures' (i.e., 'The Moors'). They've got a tourist site at www.ot-lalondelesmaures.fr/us.

That might be the best known but there are a number of others.

24 posted on 01/05/2006 8:07:10 AM PST by Heatseeker (Never underestimate the left's tendency to underestimate us.)
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To: Heatseeker

Nomads have raiding in their blood. I say the nomad is embedded in the Arab Muslim psyche. Read "Warriors of the Steppe" http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-49,GGLG:en&q=%22Warriors+of+the+Steppe%22 for a great account of the Mongols and why nomads raid the more sedentary. The agricultural peoples. They do it to supplement their diet. They could trade but prefer to raid because they are raised to be better horsemen. Thus better at war


25 posted on 01/05/2006 8:15:14 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
at sexual immorality that Christianity utterly condemns

Seems like selectively immorality such as multiple wives, infiledity of woman is worse than for their men (double standard same as Christian culture), the men seem to want to keep Islamic women virginal but others are fair game, and that iman in London took a pretty strong stand against homosexuality. I don't know if bestiality is as common as some imply.

I agree with you but think there is more to it than that.

26 posted on 01/05/2006 8:22:35 AM PST by Aliska
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To: NYer

Excellent post. I went ahead and posted Walter Brandmuller's entire presentation, which seems quite a lucid and historically sound approach ... and a breath of fresh air amongst all this Religion of Peace codswallop out there.

Thanks. good dialogue


27 posted on 01/05/2006 9:09:22 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: redgolum

Psychology is similar to history. If you want real science, not PC-driven drivel, go to the old texts.


28 posted on 01/05/2006 9:09:57 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: NYer

That soulless building really captures the beauty of islam.


29 posted on 01/05/2006 9:12:33 AM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

That is fine...just leave the Orthodox alone during this one :)


30 posted on 01/05/2006 9:14:55 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: NYer

Recently I watched a documentary on building Domes, they basically make plain that many Istanbul mosques were inspired by The Church of the Holy Wisdom which the Muslims stole and converted into a mosque. It's very sad.


31 posted on 01/05/2006 9:19:04 AM PST by x5452
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To: TexConfederate1861

Figured you guys might want to help out your Roman Catholic cousins on this one. What do you say? :)


32 posted on 01/05/2006 9:53:05 AM PST by Romish_Papist (iuxta est Dominus contritis corde et confractos spiritu salvabit.)
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To: Aliska

Islam allows quickie relationships for sex if heterosexual.


33 posted on 01/05/2006 10:14:36 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Aliska

An insightful post.


34 posted on 01/05/2006 10:18:02 AM PST by ansel12
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To: x5452
many Istanbul mosques were inspired by The Church of the Holy Wisdom which the Muslims stole and converted into a mosque. It's very sad.

The Hagia Sophia!!! No respect for anything outside their own religion. Islam has no notion of inalienable natural or human rights such as envisioned by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence. Moreover, Islam does not acknowledge civil rights, i. e. rights which inure to people by virtue of their membership in a political state. The only rights possessed by Muslims and dhimmi are religious rights recognized in the Quran and codified in the Sheria.


35 posted on 01/05/2006 10:51:47 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
I understand they are now restoring the original frecoes in the church




36 posted on 01/05/2006 11:05:38 AM PST by x5452
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To: Blzbba

True, but the Mongols aren't Muslim.

Only after their empire broke up into different Khanate's did some convert to Islam.

After all, if they all converted to Islam, it would really be difficult to explain how come the modern Mongols are Buddhist.


37 posted on 01/05/2006 11:42:58 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: gogogodzilla

"True, but the Mongols aren't Muslim. "


No argument. Just pointing out another amazing Euro history factoid that's ignored when teaching history.


38 posted on 01/05/2006 11:59:04 AM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: x5452
Awesome! Thanks for posting those images. My favorite!

Have you seen this?

It's the Demography, Stupid

39 posted on 01/05/2006 12:37:50 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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"The mosque, that can hold up to 3000 people and is the largest in Europe, was financed by some 24 Arab countries. There is also a cultural center and library here."

The jihadist enemy has established a foothold in the heart of Rome and the city government caved in to the enemy regarding the crescent moon issue. Big mistake!

40 posted on 01/05/2006 1:23:26 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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