[CarolinaGuitarman]

"I said it is the observer that is subjective by nature, not the evidence. Do you know the difference?"

Yes, I do. Do you? We arrive at objective evidence by subjecting the evidence to testing and repeatability.

" The presence of organized matter that behaves according to predictable laws is objective evidence for intelligent design."

Not what you said before.

"Where is your objective evidence that man began as a simple creature and progressed from there?"

The entire fossil record. The record in our genes. Our morphology. Biogeopgraphical studies. The evidence is ENORMOUS. And it is objective.

"Can you present objective evidence that entails not the slightest amount of inference or subjective notions? No."

Inference is not necessarily subjective. So your dichotomy is false.

"Intelligent design is an objective reality that governs all of science."

Not what you said before. You said that it was SUBJECTIVE reasons that tilted the scales to ID over not ID.

"How does admitting the existence of subjectivity equate with "embracing" it as "not problematic in the least?"

Because you said that you chose ID for subjective reasons. You said (then, anyway) that the choice was not objective.


"It's obviously been a problem with you, because you cannot objectively understand any connection between intelligent design and organized matter."

Nor can Fester1, your other self who said that it wasn't objective reasons that tilts the scales to ID.

Now, before you continue, please have that debate with yourself. Don't come back until you can all keep your positions straight.

[Fester Chugabrew]

We arrive at objective evidence by subjecting the evidence to testing and repeatability.

Wrong. We draw subjective conclusions and inferences from objective evidence.

Inference is not necessarily subjective.

Wrong. Inferences cannot be made apart from human assumptions and limitations. Inferences are inherently subjective, just like the ones you make from the fossil record. The fact that those inferences are subjective does not make them unscientific, because they are based upon objective evidence.

Because you said that you chose ID for subjective reasons.

Yes, I chose ID subjectively because it is what best fits the objective evidence. Get it?