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To: peyton randolph
"...unlike faith-based ID."

I am not an IDer, but...Can you demonstrate, via existing evidence, and without any faith (or assumed conclusions, which is a demonstration of faith), the Darwinian evolutionary claim of the simplest single cell organism (the point in time right after abiogenesis ends in the primordial soup) evolving into the diversity of life that we observe today?

And, scientifically speaking, how can you (or anyone else) judge the correctness, or validity, of faith-based claims (if ID is faith-based...Is it any more faith-based than Dr. Crick's Directed Panspermia "theory"?) when "science" can not, or does not, address issues related to the supernatural?

Isn't the claim that there is no supernatural unscientific in itself?

148 posted on 01/03/2006 3:19:32 PM PST by pby
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To: pby
Isn't the claim that there is no supernatural unscientific in itself?

In a word: No.

Science deals with the physical world. The supernatural supposes that there are unconstant forces that we cannot see, test or measure. That, by its definition, places it outside of the realm of science.

It is not unscientific to say that astrology is not science. It is not unscientific to say that the "evil spirit" hypthesis of disease is not science. It is not unscientific to say that ID is not science. All of them presuppose unknows forces that we cannot measure, none of them address the evidence.

149 posted on 01/03/2006 3:23:11 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: pby

You posted: "And, scientifically speaking, how can you (or anyone else) judge the correctness, or validity, of faith-based claims (if ID is faith-based...Is it any more faith-based than Dr. Crick's Directed Panspermia "theory"?) when "science" can not, or does not, address issues related to the supernatural?

Isn't the claim that there is no supernatural unscientific in itself?"

Reply:
Just where would your view make a contribution to science or education? I have 42 students in my chemistry lab doing a simple acid-base reaction in Chem 101 as part of them observing how chemistry works. One of the pairs says, "We do not agree with the experiment's objectives or results. We have results that are not in agreement with your old text. We see evidence of supernatural intervention. We think the litmus paper is governed by Satan, and our results cannot be judged by non-Christians. We include in our write-up that a supernatural entity intervened in our experiment."

I have a poverty of imagination. I note that acid-base reactions are not mentioned in the Bible. Perhaps you can explain to me how these students help us to understand the naturalistic world around us? In terms of the correctness, or validity, of faith-based claims??


155 posted on 01/03/2006 3:54:27 PM PST by thomaswest (just curious)
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To: pby
"And, scientifically speaking, how can you (or anyone else) judge the correctness, or validity, of faith-based claims (if ID is faith-based...Is it any more faith-based than Dr. Crick's Directed Panspermia "theory"?) when "science" can not, or does not, address issues related to the supernatural?

Is someone trying to get Dr. Crick's DP taught in science classes?

231 posted on 01/03/2006 5:54:51 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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