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To: pby

You posted: "And, scientifically speaking, how can you (or anyone else) judge the correctness, or validity, of faith-based claims (if ID is faith-based...Is it any more faith-based than Dr. Crick's Directed Panspermia "theory"?) when "science" can not, or does not, address issues related to the supernatural?

Isn't the claim that there is no supernatural unscientific in itself?"

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Just where would your view make a contribution to science or education? I have 42 students in my chemistry lab doing a simple acid-base reaction in Chem 101 as part of them observing how chemistry works. One of the pairs says, "We do not agree with the experiment's objectives or results. We have results that are not in agreement with your old text. We see evidence of supernatural intervention. We think the litmus paper is governed by Satan, and our results cannot be judged by non-Christians. We include in our write-up that a supernatural entity intervened in our experiment."

I have a poverty of imagination. I note that acid-base reactions are not mentioned in the Bible. Perhaps you can explain to me how these students help us to understand the naturalistic world around us? In terms of the correctness, or validity, of faith-based claims??


155 posted on 01/03/2006 3:54:27 PM PST by thomaswest (just curious)
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To: thomaswest
Again, strawman.

I took chemistry in high school and college and didn't have a problem with litmus tests. I am not aware of anyone that does either.

Answer the questions that were posed instead of making up some contrived and imaginary student/person and event.

Your post wrongly assumes and concludes that it is impossible for a creationist, or non-evolutionist, to make scientific contributions. They have and will continue to do so.

How do the evolutionary faith-based assumed conclusions (HOX gene mutations as biological mechanisms for evolution from fish to land mammal, false feathered dinosaurs like ,Sinosauropteryx, and etc.)help us to actually observe the world around us in a manner that leads to scientific contributions?

238 posted on 01/03/2006 6:06:24 PM PST by pby
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To: thomaswest
" ... We think the litmus paper is governed by Satan, and our results cannot be judged by non-Christians. We include in our write-up that a supernatural entity intervened in our experiment."

It's obvious.

Blue detects Christian Godliness and pink indicates Satan (or at least Helen Gahagan Douglas).

283 posted on 01/03/2006 7:37:50 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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