[presidio9]

McCain would not win any moderate liberal votes against Hillary, because she has managed to wrap herself in the illusion that she is strong on defense. Meanwhile, Conservatives would stay away if McCain was the candidate. If Hillary is nominated, the only counter is to go as Conservative as possible.

[Pimpmygop]

I think Giuliani would destroy Hillary in a national election, and he isnt that conservative. I also think Giuliani would turn NY red for that election cycle, that state loves him. If NY turned red, there is no WAY in hell a democrat can win, they would have to pickup 2 major red states to pull ahead, not going to happen.