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It’s the demography, stupid
The New Criterion ^ | Jan 2, 2006 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/01/2006 2:52:39 PM PST by twntaipan

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To: twntaipan; Pokey78

This Steyn piece just made it onto the WSJ opinion page today @ www.opinionjournal.com. It is the New Criterion essay from Jan 1, different from the November one of the same name.

Excellent Steyn piece. My question is What can Europe do at this point? The people are lulled into a coma by the free lunch programs, and they think they are paid for by others. In the case of their defense, he is right-- we Americans shoulder that cost for most of the West. I do not see much chance until it gets much worse.

Our own issues with Social Security reform offers a similar problem, we see a ticking time bomb yet no one wants to defuse it. So we have to wait until the d@mn thing goes off before we fix the blast damage. It would be so much easier to make the smaller adjustments now.

9-11 provided a catalyst for action, that the US is squandering to some extent by repeatedly hitting the snooze button on Iran, Syria and SA. The rest of the West turned off the alarm clock on about October 11, 2001.


81 posted on 01/04/2006 3:35:13 AM PST by RobFromGa (Polls are for people who can't think for themselves.)
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To: RobFromGa
I really think the heart of the matter lies not with the "free lunch".

Rather it lies deeper in the black heart of liberalism, which ultimately says "I am what matters most in the world". It is narcissism pure and simple.

With narcissism ascendant in any culture, the God-given dictate to "go forth and multiply" becomes meaningless. Liberals are too in love with themselves to nurture children.

Liberals cannot give birth to enough to replace themselves in Europe, or in the Blue States here.

They have aborted their future in Europe; we dare not let that happen here.

82 posted on 01/04/2006 3:58:04 AM PST by twntaipan (Liberals: Eternally stuck on stupid.)
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To: Steel Wolf
Steyns point was that there's no point in Islamists destroying any more skyscrapers in cities they're going to take over anyway.

You are assuming a rationality on the part of radical Islamics that I don't believe can be demonstrated. At the root of their culture is an envy-driven hatred of all the West has created. At a minimum, they are driven to destroy some part of the West to drive home the point of their "superiority". The more interesting question is how the emerging configuration of Islam-Russia-China will work together to bring the downfall of the West. I know that both Russia and China have their own Muslim problems, but the temptation to cooperate to bring the West to its knees will be too tempting. I hope and pray our children and grandchildren will be ready for what is coming in the next 20 to 30 years.

83 posted on 01/04/2006 4:17:22 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer (Visit the Iran Crater in 2008)
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To: twntaipan

Excellent article bump.


84 posted on 01/04/2006 6:38:58 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: twntaipan

In the feature, "the March of the Penguins," the penguins had to endure undue hardships in order to reproduce. Yet, they did it anyway. If the majority of Europeans fail to realize the importance of reproduction, than perhaps despite all the advances in technology, penguins are fundamentally smarter.


85 posted on 01/04/2006 8:43:19 AM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: Barney Gumble

Steyn really hit the nail on the head with this one. I do not think that I will see a Western Civilization in Europe when I'm an old man (50 yrs or so).


86 posted on 01/04/2006 9:38:44 AM PST by jjm2111 (Can't wait for the next Holiday!)
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To: ikka
We need to CHOP taxes so that families larger than 2 or 3 are no longer the province of the wealthy, the eccentric, and those on welfare.

Wealthy people don't have bigger families. Bill Gates has only one kid. Smaller families are a cultural thing, at least in the West.

87 posted on 01/04/2006 9:49:59 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: GOPJ

" 'In other words, just as the AIDS pandemic greatly facilitated societal surrender to the gay agenda, so 9/11 is greatly facilitating our surrender to the most extreme aspects of the multicultural agenda.'

OMG, I fear Steyn's on to something here..."

If by that you mean that last sentence, I fear you are right. I hadn't noticed that AIDS had the bizarre effect of baking and sealing unsafe homosexual behaviours into our culture, instead of forcing the "gay lifestyle" back underground, as you would expect. Just another sign something is really wrong.



88 posted on 01/04/2006 1:36:55 PM PST by euromutt2004 (Nomen Nescio)
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To: twntaipan
FR was ahead of the curve (again???). Hugh Hewitt has posted on this article, listing a string of blogs writing about this piece by Steyn.

But none of them were up before we had this up! :-)

89 posted on 01/04/2006 4:05:34 PM PST by twntaipan (Liberals: Eternally stuck on stupid.)
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To: twntaipan

BTTT


90 posted on 01/04/2006 5:04:51 PM PST by hattend (There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works.)
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To: kevinjdeanna
Can Europe be saved, and how far are you willing to go to ensure it will be?

Baser still, should it be? I say three strikes, they're out.

I'd only be willing to go to the tip of my nose for the
whole continent except for Britain. I'd offer Her Majesty's
subjects an honorary fast track to US citizenship if they
can answer; who won the "Battle of Yorktown?"

BUZZZ!

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

That's correct, raise your right hand you're in!

91 posted on 01/04/2006 8:04:28 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
The rapid advances in technology

I was scanning ahead to see if someone would be on this.
Our modern society does not exist in stasis. Steyn is right
on the socio-political aspect but does not appear to have
factored technological progress or influences. I am not
thinking along the lines of technology's influence on Islam
as much as producing new paradigms, such as what occurred
in the Twentieth Century, that influence all human culture.
Futurists can give more insight on this now.

92 posted on 01/04/2006 8:29:15 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: twntaipan; Villiany_Inc
bookmarked to read later (such as a day off, when I might have time...)

From what skimmed, excellent article - excellent find.

93 posted on 01/04/2006 9:02:13 PM PST by Villiany_Inc (I am of wit diseased - Hamlet)
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To: twntaipan
Well I guess this would be a little too long and cerebral for the "DRUDGE....Breaking!!!" crowd, but if there's been a better article written about what lies at the heart of this issue, I've yet to see it.

My only criticism is that he stops short of what should be the final conclusion in his essay. The one thing which underlies everything which he writes about is the lack of God and the spiritual apostasy of the post-Christian West. It is the spiritual malaise at the heart of Western man which gives rise to all the symptoms which Steyn details so well.

Only the Gospel of Jesus, believed, lived and evangelized can save us from the inexorable societal decay which surrounds us now. Bombs, bullets and democracy won't do it.

This is a spiritual war, above all, and only spritual weapons will win it.

94 posted on 01/05/2006 5:49:22 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Well said.


95 posted on 01/05/2006 5:52:32 AM PST by twntaipan (Liberals: Eternally stuck on stupid.)
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To: twntaipan

one of the best articles ever posted on FR.


96 posted on 01/05/2006 7:25:35 AM PST by conservative physics
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To: conservative physics

I'll second that! WOW! It's hard to argue with the numbers.


97 posted on 01/05/2006 2:38:44 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Thank you, Matt Leinart, for three awesome years!)
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To: twntaipan

marker


98 posted on 01/05/2006 2:50:43 PM PST by ezo4
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To: shaggy eel; Brian Allen; DieHard the Hunter; Aussie Dasher; Fair Go; Piefloater; Dundee; ...

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One obstacle to doing that is the fact that, in the typical election campaign in your advanced industrial democracy, the political platforms of at least one party in the United States and pretty much all parties in the rest of the west are largely about what one would call the secondary impulses of society—government health care, government day care (which Canada’s thinking of introducing), government paternity leave (which Britain’s just introduced). We’ve prioritized the secondary impulse over the primary ones: national defense, family, faith, and, most basic of all, reproductive activity—“Go forth and multiply,” because if you don’t you won’t be able to afford all those secondary-impulse issues, like cradle-to-grave welfare. Americans sometimes don’t understand how far gone most of the rest of the developed world is down this path: In the Canadian and most Continental cabinets, the defense ministry is somewhere an ambitious politician passes through on his way up to important jobs like the health department. I don’t think Don Rumsfeld would regard it as a promotion if he were moved to Health & Human Services.

The design flaw of the secular social-democratic state is that it requires a religious-society birth rate to sustain it. Post-Christian hyper-rationalism is, in the objective sense, a lot less rational than Catholicism or Mormonism. Indeed, in its reliance on immigration to ensure its future, the European Union has adopted a twenty-first-century variation on the strategy of the Shakers, who were forbidden from reproducing and thus could only increase their numbers by conversion. The problem is that secondary- impulse societies mistake their weaknesses for strengths—or, at any rate, virtues—and that’s why they’re proving so feeble at dealing with a primal force like Islam.

Speaking of which, if we are at war—and half the American people and significantly higher percentages in Britain, Canada, and Europe don’t accept that proposition—than what exactly is the war about?

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That’s what the war’s about: our lack of civilizational confidence. As a famous Arnold Toynbee quote puts it: “Civilizations die from suicide, not murder”—as can be seen throughout much of “the western world” right now. The progressive agenda —lavish social welfare, abortion, secularism, multiculturalism—is collectively the real suicide bomb. Take multiculturalism: the great thing about multiculturalism is that it doesn’t involve knowing anything about other cultures—the capital of Bhutan, the principal exports of Malawi, who cares? All it requires is feeling good about other cultures. It’s fundamentally a fraud, and I would argue was subliminally accepted on that basis. Most adherents to the idea that all cultures are equal don’t want to live in anything but an advanced western society: Multiculturalism means your kid has to learn some wretched native dirge for the school holiday concert instead of getting to sing “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” or that your holistic masseuse uses techniques developed from Native American spirituality, but not that you or anyone you care about should have to live in an African or Native-American society. It’s a quintessential piece of progressive humbug.

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Lady Kennedy was arguing that our tolerance of our own tolerance is making us intolerant of other people’s intolerance, which is intolerable. And, unlikely as it sounds, this has now become the highest, most rarefied form of multiculturalism. So you’re nice to gays and the Inuit? Big deal. Anyone can be tolerant of fellows like that, but tolerance of intolerance gives an even more intense frisson of pleasure to the multiculti masochists. In other words, just as the AIDS pandemic greatly facilitated societal surrender to the gay agenda, so 9/11 is greatly facilitating our surrender to the most extreme aspects of the multicultural agenda.

For example, one day in 2004, a couple of Canadians returned home, to Lester B. Pearson International Airport in Toronto. They were the son and widow of a fellow called Ahmed Said Khadr, who back on the Pakistani-Afghan frontier was known as “al-Kanadi.” Why? Because he was the highest-ranking Canadian in al Qaeda—plenty of other Canucks in al Qaeda but he was the Numero Uno. In fact, one could argue that the Khadr family is Canada’s principal contribution to the war on terror. Granted they’re on the wrong side (if you’ll forgive me being judgmental) but no can argue that they aren’t in the thick of things. One of Mr. Khadr’s sons was captured in Afghanistan after killing a U.S. Special Forces medic. Another was captured and held at Guantanamo. A third blew himself up while killing a Canadian soldier in Kabul. Pa Khadr himself died in an al Qaeda shoot-out with Pakistani forces in early 2004. And they say we Canadians aren’t doing our bit in this war!

In the course of the fatal shoot-out of al-Kanadi, his youngest son was paralyzed. And, not unreasonably, Junior didn’t fancy a prison hospital in Peshawar. So Mrs. Khadr and her boy returned to Toronto so he could enjoy the benefits of Ontario government healthcare. “I’m Canadian, and I’m not begging for my rights,” declared the widow Khadr. “I’m demanding my rights.”

As they always say, treason’s hard to prove in court, but given the circumstances of Mr. Khadr’s death it seems clear that not only was he providing “aid and comfort to the Queen’s enemies” but that he was, in fact, the Queen’s enemy. The Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry, the Royal 22nd Regiment, and other Canucks have been participating in Afghanistan, on one side of the conflict, and the Khadr family had been over there participating on the other side. Nonetheless, the Prime Minister of Canada thought Boy Khadr’s claims on the public health system was an excellent opportunity to demonstrate his own deep personal commitment to “diversity.” Asked about the Khadrs’ return to Toronto, he said, “I believe that once you are a Canadian citizen, you have the right to your own views and to disagree.”

That’s the wonderful thing about multiculturalism: you can choose which side of the war you want to fight on. When the draft card arrives, just tick “home team” or “enemy,” according to taste. The Canadian Prime Minister is a typical late-stage western politician: He could have said, well, these are contemptible people and I know many of us are disgusted at the idea of our tax dollars being used to provide health care for a man whose Canadian citizenship is no more than a flag of convenience, but unfortunately that’s the law and, while we can try to tighten it, it looks like this lowlife’s got away with it. Instead, his reflex instinct was to proclaim this as a wholehearted demonstration of the virtues of the multicultural state. Like many enlightened western leaders, the Canadian Prime Minister will be congratulating himself on his boundless tolerance even as the forces of intolerance consume him.

That, by the way, is the one point of similarity between the jihad and conventional terrorist movements like the IRA or ETA. Terror groups persist because of a lack of confidence on the part of their targets: the IRA, for example, calculated correctly that the British had the capability to smash them totally but not the will. So they knew that while they could never win militarily, they also could never be defeated. The Islamists have figured similarly. The only difference is that most terrorist wars are highly localized. We now have the first truly global terrorist insurgency because the Islamists view the whole world the way the IRA view the bogs of Fermanagh: they want it and they’ve calculated that our entire civilization lacks the will to see them off.

We spend a lot of time at The New Criterion attacking the elites and we’re right to do so. The commanding heights of the culture have behaved disgracefully for the last several decades. But, if it were just a problem with the elites, it wouldn’t be that serious: the mob could rise up and hang ’em from lampposts—a scenario that’s not unlikely in certain Continental countries. But the problem now goes way beyond the ruling establishment. The annexation by government of most of the key responsibilities of life—child-raising, taking care of your elderly parents—has profoundly changed the relationship between the citizen and the state. At some point—I would say socialized health care is a good marker—you cross a line, and it’s very hard then to persuade a citizenry enjoying that much government largesse to cross back. In National Review recently, I took issue with that line Gerald Ford always uses to ingratiate himself with conservative audiences: “A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have.” Actually, you run into trouble long before that point: A government big enough to give you everything you want still isn’t big enough to get you to give anything back. That’s what the French and German political classes are discovering.

Go back to that list of local conflicts I mentioned. The jihad has held out a long time against very tough enemies. If you’re not shy about taking on the Israelis, the Russians, the Indians, and the Nigerians, why wouldn’t you fancy your chances against the Belgians and Danes and New Zealanders?

So the jihadists are for the most part doing no more than giving us a prod in the rear as we sleepwalk to the cliff. When I say “sleepwalk,” it’s not because we’re a blasé culture. On the contrary, one of the clearest signs of our decline is the way we expend so much energy worrying about the wrong things. If you’ve read Jared Diamond’s bestselling book Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed, you’ll know it goes into a lot of detail about Easter Island going belly up because they chopped down all their trees. Apparently that’s why they’re not a G8 member or on the UN Security Council. Same with the Greenlanders and the Mayans and Diamond’s other curious choices of “societies.” Indeed, as the author sees it, pretty much every society collapses because it chops down its trees.

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Well, here’s my prediction for 2032: unless we change our ways the world faces a future … where the environment will look pretty darn good. If you’re a tree or a rock, you’ll be living in clover. It’s the Italians and the Swedes who’ll be facing extinction and the loss of their natural habitat.

There will be no environmental doomsday. Oil, carbon dioxide emissions, deforestation: none of these things is worth worrying about. What’s worrying is that we spend so much time worrying about things that aren’t worth worrying about that we don’t worry about the things we should be worrying about. For thirty years, we’ve had endless wake-up calls for things that aren’t worth waking up for. But for the very real, remorseless shifts in our society—the ones truly jeopardizing our future—we’re sound asleep. The world is changing dramatically right now and hysterical experts twitter about a hypothetical decrease in the Antarctic krill that might conceivably possibly happen so far down the road there’s unlikely to be any Italian or Japanese enviro-worriers left alive to be devastated by it.

In a globalized economy, the environmentalists want us to worry about First World capitalism imposing its ways on bucolic, pastoral, primitive Third World backwaters. Yet, insofar as “globalization” is a threat, the real danger is precisely the opposite—that the peculiarities of the backwaters can leap instantly to the First World. Pigs are valued assets and sleep in the living room in rural China—and next thing you know an unknown respiratory disease is killing people in Toronto, just because someone got on a plane. That’s the way to look at Islamism: we fret about McDonald’s and Disney, but the big globalization success story is the way the Saudis have taken what was eighty years ago a severe but obscure and unimportant strain of Islam practiced by Bedouins of no fixed abode and successfully exported it to the heart of Copenhagen, Rotterdam, Manchester, Buffalo …

What’s the better bet? A globalization that exports cheeseburgers and pop songs or a globalization that exports the fiercest aspects of its culture? When it comes to forecasting the future, the birth rate is the nearest thing to hard numbers. If only a million babies are born in 2006, it’s hard to have two million adults enter the workforce in 2026 (or 2033, or 2037, or whenever they get around to finishing their Anger Management and Queer Studies degrees). And the hard data on babies around the western world is that they’re running out a lot faster than the oil is. “Replacement” fertility rate—i.e., the number you need for merely a stable population, not getting any bigger, not getting any smaller—is 2.1 babies per woman. Some countries are well above that: the global fertility leader, Somalia, is 6.91, Niger 6.83, Afghanistan 6.78, Yemen 6.75. Notice what those nations have in common?

Scroll way down to the bottom of the Hot One Hundred top breeders and you’ll eventually find the United States, hovering just at replacement rate with 2.07 births per woman. Ireland is 1.87, New Zealand 1.79, Australia 1.76. But Canada’s fertility rate is down to 1.5, well below replacement rate; Germany and Austria are at 1.3, the brink of the death spiral; Russia and Italy are at 1.2; Spain 1.1, about half replacement rate. That’s to say, Spain’s population is halving every generation. By 2050, Italy’s population will have fallen by 22 percent, Bulgaria’s by 36 percent, Estonia’s by 52 percent. In America, demographic trends suggest that the blue states ought to apply for honorary membership of the EU: in the 2004 election, John Kerry won the sixteen with the lowest birth rates; George W. Bush took twenty-five of the twenty-six states with the highest. By 2050, there will be 100 million fewer Europeans, 100 million more Americans—and mostly red-state Americans. "

Ping! Excelent article article from Mark Steyn, and plenty of warnings for NZ and Australia as well.

99 posted on 01/05/2006 4:37:27 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: NZerFromHK

Interesting article that raises a number of important points.


100 posted on 01/05/2006 5:56:13 PM PST by Fair Go
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