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The Plague of Success (Victor Davis Hanson)
National Review ^ | 12-29-05 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 12/29/2005 10:33:24 AM PST by smoothsailing

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To: JasonC

The weak Democrats are using the WOT for political gain, period. They're not concerned with civil liberties and constitutional rights. They're not overly concerned about our troops, either. They want their political power back and will do anything to get it.

Imagine what would (will) happen the next time we are attacked? The MSM and the Democrat party will attack the Bush administration for not being "vigilant." Bush will get the blame for "not protecting Americans."

They have complained about our intelligence prior to 9/11. Now, when efforts are made in foreign intelligence, they criticize them.

Worst of all, the government bureaucrats (who are almost all Democrats) look for every opportunity to subvert Bush's and the military efforts in the WOT, with leaks and sabotage from within.

Folks, this is beyond political hardball. It is Treason.

(my post from another thread)


21 posted on 12/30/2005 6:50:09 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I might be wrong, but I'm always right.)
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To: JasonC

Failure would not be condemned more rigorously. On the contrary, it would be welcomed with I told ya sos.

Man, I really hate to say it but...your right.
So many people (mainly on the left) don't seem to understand THIS IS NOT A GAME..this is not a highway bill....etc. This is big time importanr stuff, and until they understand this they cannot be allowed anywhere near the levers of power.


22 posted on 12/30/2005 7:06:23 AM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: Tolik

After all, the Afghan parliament is still squabbling and a long way from the city councils of Cambridge, La Jolla, or Nantucket — or maybe not.


True, I bet you can smoke in Kabul!
OH THE HORROR....THE HORROR...THE HORROR


23 posted on 12/30/2005 7:08:57 AM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: smoothsailing

Tks for all the VDH pings.

In this upside down world, it's allways good to read some plain common sense.

Happy New Year


24 posted on 12/30/2005 7:52:17 AM PST by crazycat
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To: smoothsailing
For what it's worth, I'd prefer to have one Jalal Talabani or Iyad Allawi on our side than ten Jacques Chiracs or Gerhard Schroeders.

Word.

25 posted on 12/30/2005 7:57:45 AM PST by Paradox (Time to sharpen ole Occam's Razor.)
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To: Tolik

bttt


26 posted on 12/30/2005 8:22:37 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: rightinthemiddle
It is more psychological than that, less calculated. They aren't doing it for political gain and they aren't gaining politically from their stance on the war.

They are doing it because they believe anything their opponents do must be existentially wrong, anything they have feared and stated must be fated and true, because they believe the United States is the focus of evil in the modern world, because they believe power itself is evil except when they hold it, and for similar ideological, philosophical (e.g. relativist), and psychological reasons.

These reasons are in fact more important to them than political expediency. They are important to their sense of self, to their mental integrity. Acknowledgement of error on their own part in such matters is deeply upsetting to them, merely as a possibility, and they desperately need to deny any need for it. They assail any messenger bearing such tidings with ferocity, regardless of other merits or objective realities, as a matter of mental self defense.

In which they have more in common with the Islamicists than people might suppose, looking only at the content of the rhetoric of the two groups. The psychological realities are much more closely aligned. When an Islamicist contemplates the idea that the west is just and the actions of his fellows unjust, that the west is not only more powerful than they are but worthy of that power in a way they are not, it is deeply humiliating. And it threatens to overthrow the whole intellectual fabric of their lives.

At bottom they share a relativism which is an evasion of the possibility of being concretely wrong about the world they live in. Their own sense of identity and the artificial stridency of their views are supposed to ensure the equal validty of their opinions to any others, to repeal the suspicion that other ways of thought might be better or their own, inadequate. They fear admission of error as shattering of self, because at bottom their sense of themselves is rooted in a prideful association with supposedly great principles. They are great because they choose to believe things that say, those who believe this are great. If they were instead humble, admission of error would be easy - but that presupposes some other source of integrity, which they do not possess.

To see that it is not mere calculation or seeking political advantage, you have only to look at the actions of the smartest politicians on the American left. Hillary has studiously avoided throwing in with the Deaniac defeatists. She knows it is a political loser. Instead she triangulates between her party's moonbats and the broad American middle which wants success in Iraq and in the WOT.

To see their political calculations, recall the patriotism fest at their last convention, and how important they considered Kerry's supposed military heroism. Notice that they will not vote for Murtha's resolution. They seek to undermine the war and want defeat yes, but they do not try to sell that notion, openly, to the American people. They know they have to fool said people to achieve their own aim of US defeat. Ergo, they do not aim at defeat in order to curry favor with said people, but independently desire it.

Or in the case of the Islamicists, look at what they gain from their stridency, and what they lose. A few years ago they controlled countries. They were well financed. Strong states were actively improving their military and economic power. Now look at them. The hardest line are beseiged, with easy developments of additional power, in the shadows of western indifference, replaced by dangerous pitfalls and threats of both internal revolution and direct US military action. Those who started the recent round are dispossessed, half their fortunes gone, a third of their personnel killed or captured.

But what is any of that practical stuff, frankly only about this world, compared to the inner glow of self assurance, that they are the righteous fighting mighty oppressors, for the highest possible cause, with unstinting devotion and bravery? Islamicists willingly die for a few days of that glow. Democrats willingly lie for rather less of it, but for longer periods.

27 posted on 12/30/2005 10:17:10 AM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC

I appreciate you composing that response just for me :-).


28 posted on 12/30/2005 10:21:41 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I might be wrong, but I'm always right.)
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To: smoothsailing; Tolik
Ping..........

Lando

29 posted on 12/30/2005 8:56:41 PM PST by Lando Lincoln (God bless Jared Linskens and his family.)
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To: smoothsailing

bttt


30 posted on 01/03/2006 9:12:48 AM PST by wildehunt (I told them they'd need horses...)
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To: smoothsailing

Excellent article. Thanks


31 posted on 01/03/2006 9:16:59 AM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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To: smoothsailing

VDH bump.


32 posted on 01/03/2006 10:41:58 AM PST by PogySailor (Semper Fi to the 3/1 H&S Company in Haditha.)
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

Ping to a great article I missed on the first pass...


33 posted on 01/28/2006 8:40:43 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping.


34 posted on 01/28/2006 8:44:47 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Interesting Times
What explains this paradox of public disappointment over things that turn out better than anticipated? Why are we like children who damn their parents for not providing yet another new toy when the present one is neither paid for nor yet out of the wrapper?

The radical liberals realize that our President and the various alphabet agencies are keeping us relatively safe. They can now kick back in that safety and play politics as usual.
35 posted on 01/28/2006 8:49:37 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT


36 posted on 01/28/2006 8:54:19 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Interesting Times

"Are we then basking in the unbelievable notion that the most diabolical government of the late 20th century is gone from Afghanistan, and in its place are schools, roads, and voting machines? Hardly, since the bar has been astronomically raised since Tora Bora. After all, the Afghan parliament is still squabbling and a long way from the city councils of Cambridge, La Jolla, or Nantucket — or maybe not.

The same paradox of success is true of Iraq. Before we went in, analysts and opponents forecasted burning oil wells, millions of refugees streaming into Jordan and the Gulf kingdoms, with thousands of Americans killed just taking Baghdad alone. Middle Eastern potentates warned us of chemical rockets that would shower our troops in Kuwait. On the eve of the war, had anyone predicted that Saddam would be toppled in three weeks, and two-and-a-half-years later, 11 million Iraqis would turn out to vote in their third election — at a cost of some 2100 war dead — he would have been dismissed as unhinged.

But that is exactly what has happened. And the reaction? Democratic firebrands are now talking of impeachment."



Thank you for the ping. I am sorely afraid we have short memories here in this country..and the subversive dem voices are loud.

My eternal gratitude to those who serve our country and to those who have sacrificed all. They have accomplished so much.


37 posted on 01/28/2006 8:57:34 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: smoothsailing

Excellent piece!


38 posted on 01/28/2006 8:58:38 AM PST by Gritty ("Islam us a universal ideology that leads the world to justice"-Ahmadinejad)
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To: smoothsailing
The "Greatest Generation" won WWII because the troops for the most part had grown up in hard times...the Great Depression...They knew hard times first hand and knew how to perservere so they could survive the brutalities of war.

They already knew how to shoot and plow for food, fix and or improvise because they had no money to buy new. They had respect for parents and duly elected authorities.

And they went to church, read the bible, and loved their God. They and we survived that evil that had brought so much suffering and death. We can honor them today by emulating those qualities that entitles them to the title of the Greatest Generation.

39 posted on 01/28/2006 9:19:19 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: Interesting Times

Two front war, thanks for the ping.


40 posted on 01/28/2006 9:26:25 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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