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Your Monthly Credit Card Minimum Payments May Double
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Posted on 12/27/2005 7:13:51 AM PST by No Blue States

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To: kddid

"...how in the world could the AVERAGE be 10,000?"

It's our instant gratification society. Kids, when they begin working real jobs just assume they should be equal with mom and dad. Back in the day, we bought used cars and starter homes. Now they build the big new 2500 sq. ft. home and buy two new cars. That is how many get into it. It's a trap. They feel pressure to take on enough debt to get all those things now.
And then there are those that just have a run of bad luck, unexpected illness, etc. $10k in expenses can happen pretty fast.
Given those two groups, I can see the average cc debt being $10k.


61 posted on 12/27/2005 8:04:08 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: No Blue States

IMO, if you do happen to carry a balance, shop CC offers of less than 10% fixed APR's for the life of your loan and set up automatic drafts to pay the bill before the due date(s) in case you happen to forget one. Set up a checking account with overdraft protection if you're one who runs their checking account balances to the minimums because it's far better to let the overdraft protection kick in than to get stuck with 24.9% plus interest. With a $10,000 balance, the difference from 18% to >10% - preferrably less than 8% - could mean a difference of complying with the new law under the current payment schedule and your payments doubling.

But, what do I know?


62 posted on 12/27/2005 8:04:12 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: No Blue States
A similar article was posted here a while ago, and a Freeper pointed out that the banks were opposed to this measure. They'd rather have their customers pay off a $5000 balance over 50 years than over 10 years.
63 posted on 12/27/2005 8:05:17 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: joesbucks

Debt can drive people to suicide.
At one point I briefly thought of offing myself "accidentily" so they could collect my life insurance and become financially stable.
I probably shouldnt admit that here, but people should be slow to ridicule others who are facing financial hardships.

No, Im going to live hell or high water and make it over this self created crisis. And I will be stronger on the other side. My family will be financially secure then.
We both grew up dirt poor, never having much so the CC temptation was not something we were able to handle well.
Im ashamed of the poistion I put my family in.
We both work our A**es off and clear about 60k.


64 posted on 12/27/2005 8:06:36 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: mtbopfuyn

"The house is paid for and the only debt we have is my vehicle."

If my house was paid for I would have a problem either. Good job.


65 posted on 12/27/2005 8:07:32 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: dfwgator
My pet peeve is the fact that our schools do a piss poor job, if they even do it at all, of educating kids on personal economics, especially when it comes to credit cards.

Budgeting and credit cards are more of an ongoing hands on learning experience that is difficult to teach in a classroom. Taking the kids with you to the grocery store and mall so they can comparison shop is a very useful teaching tool. Instilling in them the difference between a want and a need is a must. Let them decide if they want that $100 pair of designer jeans to wear every single day or look in the sales rack for five or more pairs of jeans. Hmm, do they really need 5 new pairs of jeans or can they save those extra bucks or use them for something else they really need?

66 posted on 12/27/2005 8:07:38 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Moose4

Have you ever listened to Dave Ramsey's radio show, or read his book? He's got a great approach to climbing out of financial holes.


67 posted on 12/27/2005 8:07:43 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: dfwgator

"My pet peeve is the fact that our schools do a piss poor job, if they even do it at all, of educating kids on personal economics, especially when it comes to credit cards. "

I couldn't agree more. Wouldn't it be nice if personal finance were required, and they quit teaching about why Johnny has 2 mommies. I would think that 2 semsters of personal finance would give a good foundation. Checkbook management, credit card management, retirement planning, insurance, mortgages, and intro to the stock market.
I would have benefitted greatly from that kind of education!


68 posted on 12/27/2005 8:07:55 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: kddid
I can understand unexpected expenses, but how in the world could the AVERAGE be 10,000? There has to be a lot irresponsible people out there.

And imagine how many of those irresponsible people declare bankruptcy and turn their debts over to the rest of us.

69 posted on 12/27/2005 8:09:10 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: No Blue States

Good, no excuse not to pay them off quicker.


70 posted on 12/27/2005 8:10:07 AM PST by bkepley
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To: azhenfud

Thanks for the tips. Next month we plan to get a month ahead on the big CC payment because as I told me wife if anything happened that caused us to be late the interest would go sky high. I will also call them all and ask for lower rates.


71 posted on 12/27/2005 8:10:33 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: AmusedBystander
Most wives have no concept of money when the plastic is available.

I'll give you to the count of one!

72 posted on 12/27/2005 8:11:01 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: No Blue States
God bless you, man. Congratulations on making the hard decisions to work your way out of your problem. No matter how much it hurts to work through it, I've no doubt that you'll always find it to be less painful than staying in the situation you were in.

There are no easy ways out of a financial mess. You're going to pull it off with hard work, common sense budgeting, and discipline. And from your tone, I believe you've got the testicular fortitude to see it through.

Best of luck for you and your family.

73 posted on 12/27/2005 8:12:55 AM PST by Can i say that here?
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To: kddid
I can understand unexpected expenses, but how in the world could the AVERAGE be 10,000? There has to be a lot irresponsible people out there.

Some people can be irresponsible, but when the large segment of the population starts to get in trouble it is a systemic problem. The Great Depression was not caused by the epidemic of irresponsibility. Germans or Americans of 1930s were not lazy people.

The usury leads to the slavery

"[...]Before the introduction of coined money the peasant farmer borrowed commodities and repaid the loan in kind, and … was probably able to meet the obligation without great difficulty; but after the introduction of coined money the situation became decidedly more difficult…he must take a loan of money to purchase his necessary supplies at a time when money was cheap and commodities dear. When a year of plenty came and he undertook to repay the loan, commodities were cheap and money was dear", wrote Professor Calhoun.

Unable to get out of debt, eventually bad weather or a poor harvest would bring foreclosure on their land and even bind them into slavery. This enslavement grew to crisis proportions, when Solon came to Athens rescue with his "Seisachtheia" or "shaking off" of burdens. Personal slavery was no longer allowed as security for debts. He canceled such existing debt contracts; and gave back land which had been seized. Farmers who had been sold into slavery abroad by those to whom they owed money were "bought" back and returned to Athens.
[...]"
(A Brief History of Interest)

74 posted on 12/27/2005 8:13:39 AM PST by A. Pole (Hush Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: No Blue States

I rarely ever used credit cards, but about three or four years ago, I stopped compeletly. I use my debit card, or cash. Of cousrse there are times when buying airline tickets, rental cars, etc a card is necessary. My debit card is also my CC. The only consumer credit item I owe in a mortgage. It's a great feeling not to have payments.


75 posted on 12/27/2005 8:13:41 AM PST by devane617 (An Alley-Cat mind is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: AmusedBystander
Generally, the best way to avoid credit card debt is to not get married.

And not to have children. And to share the room with illegal aliens.

76 posted on 12/27/2005 8:15:30 AM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: Can i say that here?

Thanks for the encouragement Bro.
Im working all the OT I can get and if need be I
will sell my car and drive a clunker.
After having this recent financial awakening, Im more optimistic because when I make my mind up to do something
failure is not an option.


77 posted on 12/27/2005 8:17:59 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: A. Pole
"And to share the room with illegal aliens."

LOL!

78 posted on 12/27/2005 8:18:42 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: A. Pole
And not to have children. And to share the room with illegal aliens.

Children yes, aliens no. They never want to pay their share of expenses and what money they do have they wire back home.

79 posted on 12/27/2005 8:18:42 AM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: No Blue States
I agree there are some santimonious sobs on this forum.

Actually, my wife an I were talking on the way home from the Christmas visits yesterday about people and finances.

I really think that conservatives did many in their tent a dis-service when they came up with the phrase "class envy" to counter the phrase "conspicious consumption".

Instead of making encouraging a wary eye toward those whose life if about the toys, whether they can afford it nor not, it became a taboo to have "class envy".

There's a place for both, when kept in context. But a blanket sweep of "class envy" being taboo is not healthy.

80 posted on 12/27/2005 8:19:03 AM PST by joesbucks
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