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To: hoosierham
So what about the Catholic "priests" ordained and recpgnized(sic) by the Church who have families by reason of being married while being Protestant ministers? Are you disputing their calling?

You omit some important details. The relatively few number of married protestant ministers who have converted to the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church and received the Sacrament of Holy Orders were ordained only after a lengthy, comprehensive screening process and period of study and instruction conducted by their Bishop to discern that said individual was in full communion with the teachings of the Catholic Church. They then received a dispensation from the norm of celibacy for the clerical state granted under Pope John Paul IIs 1980 Pastoral Provision. Ordination is not automatic for those who seek it and said individual must agree that should his spouse preceed him in death that he will then adopt the discipline of celibacy for the remainder of his life. No agreement, no ordination.

This strange idea that everyone ought be celibate could only last any people for a generation;after that they're extinct!Priestly clibacy(sic) is required only by men not by God;or do you deny the Levites ?

You exhibit a glaringly deficient knowledge of Scripture, history and the Priesthood. There are 22 churches sui juris in six separate Rites which comprise the Catholic Church. Married men can be ordained, without dispensation, in 21 of the 22 Churches. The Latin Rite, as a norm, ordains single men who pledge to adopt the discipline of celibacy/chastity for the remainder of their lives. Said discipline is based upon the teachings in Scripture of Christ, St. Paul and the Apostles. Christ and St. Paul highly praised the discipline and as St. Peter told Christ, he and his fellow Apostles gave up everything, including a wife if they were married, to follow Christ. The question you should be asking yourself is why so few "ministers", particularly those who wear the moniker "bible believing", embrace the teachings of Christ and St. Paul on the topic. Furthermore, the ministerial Priesthood in the Catholic Church finds its genesis in the Old Testament with the Levitical priesthood of Melchisedech. Someone in Scripture you should thoroughly research.

Despite your ill-informed statement, the Church does not teach that everyone should be celibate. Quite the contrary. The Church considers marriage to be a Sacrament and is a big proponent of procreation within marriage.

76 posted on 12/25/2005 8:44:38 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Well,I was sent to Roman Catholic grade school as was traditional in my father's family. And baptised as an infant and confirmed as a child.

I admit to great difficulty understanding and accepting that God who made covenants with His people,God who valued marriage and fidelity would condone a man abandoning his wife and children to follow Christ. Now if the meaning is that those who follow Christ must give up any future wife and children it still seems very odd in that only by conversion can a group that does not procreate grow. If only the priests are required to be celibate then it follows that only a small number of men would do so and the main body of the faith would procreate within the holy institution of marriage.

What do you say about the biblical passages that a bishop must be man of only one wife,and the other references to qualifications that only a man who has shown he can be a good head of a family can be a good shepherd of a church.

If I remember ,Paul said he wished all men were as he was,not just priests.Thus earthly extinction in a generation.

Since Peter,the rock upon whom Christ built His Church was shown to be fallible ,yet forgiven by Christ,I think it is presumptuous of any later leader,indeed anyone mortal, to claim infallibility under any circumsatances.

Being reminded of the old game in which A tell a story to B,who tells it to C,and so on ,so that by the time X tells the story A can hardly recognize it,I am sure that men have knowingly and unknowingly added and subtracted to His spoken words.

92 posted on 12/26/2005 4:42:01 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

When people start picking on typos I know the pettiness has begun.


150 posted on 12/27/2005 4:51:24 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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