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To: wtc911
I actually know FAR more about it then you think I do !
However I am not defending the Shah's actions to the extent you think I am. I actually agree he was a coward (He proved that by not cracking down when he had the chances!)and a puppet (BUT not quite as much a puppet as the word implies! He managed to manipulate Nixon. Puppets usually don't pull the strings of their puppeteers!) Another old ally that we ( and the west again !!) let fall during that time period was Haile Salassie. I think you can find plenty of Etrieans (and other tribal groups!)who could make similar statements about Salassie despotism, also Salassie's government completely fumbled the famine and wouldn't admit how bad it was. (Of course Salassie was in his mid-80s) But was Mehgistsu an improvement ? (of course he had Soviet Special Forces help !)
Again the Shah was the best choice of all bad choices both for the USA and for Iran. The current mad mullah leadership in Iran is at least equally oppressive as the Shah plus they are now worse off economically !
Also Khomeni didn't become the Shah's enemy until the Shah grabbed religiously owned/controlled land ! Then there was the Shah's promotion of the Iran's non-Islamic Persian past !
The Shah's grandfather(now I can't remember if it is father or grandfather!)who seized the throne was the one that changed the name of Persia to Iran. He wanted to emphasize the Aryan nature of Persia (Iran~ Land of the Aryans). This he did this to show the West that he was 'hip' to Fascism. Since Fascism & Socialism were the two new upcoming 'all-the-beautiful-people-are-doing-it' western philosophies that were going to sweep the world and put that tired old boring middle class oriented western-style representative government & capitalism to shame. (Read some representative political philosophy works of the 1920s[even 1900!] & 1930s. I find it amazing how popular Fascism was among the intellectual elite!)
Also the Shah's grandfather(or father) has been described to me as a 'hard-as-nails' commander of Persian Cossacks. He commanded a Persian Cossack regiment or squadron which I believe was the palace guard (I never had time to explore the term 'Persian Cossack', to me the term Cossack refers to Russian/Slavic horsemen of the steppes!)
Also the original Shah slept on a army cot all his life and was not the lover of luxury his descendants were !
Of course this old guy jumped on the Hitler bandwagon early 1941 when things looked bleak for the West. He revolted against British control, of course the Brits crushed the revolt exiled him to London and kept son & grandson in their hip pockets for later.(With UK approval the USSR invaded the north & the British the south. The Brits had to make a deal with the USSR devil because they simply didn't have the man-power!) Also I guarantee this 'Shah' was no more cruel then what he replaced. (He was more open to western ideas, always a step in the right direction...with the exception of the side-step toward fascism...but it was the intellectual rage of the 20's & 30's !) I also guarantee that the Brits 'direct rule' after the revolt was considerably milder then Soviet rule in the north. I also guarantee it wouldn't meet 2005 human rights standards. (Brits needed Persian oil for the Royal Navy hence the interest in Persia ! Thats where BP started ! Also as the Royal Navy waned so did British interest in Persia and the Middle East in general!)

Also " CIA AAR on this coup has been declassified (google operation Ajax or just Iran-coup-1953). It states in very clear language that the shah was an unwilling player who was "pathologically afraid". He was so reluctant that his sister was enlisted to shame him into action. When the first days of the coup went bad he fled to Italy and had to be dragged back. That is the unadulterated fact.
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I don't deny any of this. All this proves was he was very poor material to be an absolute monarch. (BUT he was the only obviously pro-western material available. Also remember obvious at the time don't let 50 years of hindsight color your thinking !) Much like Nicholas II was too weak to be a traditional autocrat so was the Shah. In fact I find the story of the Shah & his family very similar to that of the last days of the Romanovs.
I view the Shah vs Iran in the same light as Franco vs Spain. Franco was definitely a SOB BUT he saved Spain ! Do you honestly think that a communist victory in Spain would have shed less blood then a Phalange victory. (By the way Franco was never a member of the Phalange(Fascist)party he was an old time monarchist through-and-through! Also Hitler would have invaded Spain if there had been a communist victory.) Franco played Hitler and the Allies and later the USSR for all they were worth and rebuilt Spain. It's now a thriving constitutional monarchy which Franco nurtured(I call 'politically adopting' Juan Carlos de Bourbon and making him the 'heir' nurturing!) and allowed to take power, in spite of all the SNL jokes! If only the Shah had Franco's talent & guts, he didn't and here we are with what we got! I guarantee you can find people today who compare Franco to Hitler and have nothing good to say about him! Also consider Pinochet !

I always remember what one old Latvian emigre told me about Nazi vs Soviet rule and which was worse. With Nazi rule all you had to to was obey & work yes it was horrible and oppressive BUT with Soviet rule you had to believe it was good for you !
92 posted on 12/25/2005 8:56:33 AM PST by Reily (Reilly (Dr Doom))
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To: Reily
I actually know FAR more about it then you think I do !

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Sorry if my blanket statement seemed inclusive. We can pick this up on some future 'the shah was great' thread - one should be along any day.

In the mean time - Merry Christmas.

btw...I never mentioned Franco or Spain so let's wait until I do before jumping to conclusions about my thoughts on that.

93 posted on 12/25/2005 9:48:07 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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