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Why is there a need to defend such a sensible thing, to try to prevent a major catastrophy of a nuclear attack on a US city?!

Has the entire country gone mad?

1. People object to simple, useful measures to try to prevent such an attack.

2. Top secret information is disclosed by our domestic enemies, which seriously harms national security, endangering OUR lives.

3. Now they are disclosing that the program was stopped, so the terrorists in the US don;t have to worry that we may discover where they are hiding the nukes they plan to detonate.

""Asked about the program's status, the official said, "I'd understood it had been stopped or significantly rolled back" as early as eight months ago."

1 posted on 12/23/2005 7:07:19 PM PST by FairOpinion
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Everything is "without a warrant" now. As if every police action is a "search" or every "search" requires a warrant. Obviously that is not the case or every officer who pulls you over, looks in your car, and asks to see your license would need to get a warrant. He doesn't, not before, after, from the FISA court or anywhere else.

But the media is only pretending not to know these things. Leftists/ democrats are very immoral destructive people.

37 posted on 12/23/2005 8:34:26 PM PST by Williams
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Judge and Jury. There is a major difference between law enforcement agents and the military. The military, by constitutional directive, is empowered to fight enemy combatants, law enforcement is charged with keeping the peace and arresting criminals.

On the battlefield, soldiers are given the authority of judge, jury and executioner. When engaged, soldiers have to determine if the "suspect" is an enemy and then decie what amount of force must be exerted in order to saegaurd their lives and accomplish their mission. If the current directives from their superiors is to take prisoners, then a soldier will take steps to use non-lethal force when it does not endanger themselves or their unit. But the bottom line is their is no judge, no warrants, no juries on the battlefield. Their job is to find the enemy and kill the enemy (or take captives for intelligence operations).

Whether we like it or not, the U.S. proper IS a battlefield in the WOT. There are enemies in this country - some "soldiers", some "propagandists", and some "apologists". If these enemies were located anywhere in the world, other than here, they would be engaged militarily and killed without remorse, without warrant and without judicial oversight. To date, the current administration is doing everything in its power to fight the enemy on this battlefield without unleashing the power of the military. He has opted to try to let all of us continue to live our lives with the least amount of inconvenience.

If the President decided, or decides in the future, that the threat is too great to continue to allow our citizens to live in "bliss", he has the constitutional authority to declare Martial Law and militarize any portion of the country. If, for instance, al qaeda was able to set off a nuclear weapon in this country, the niceties would be thrown out. The Military would be brought in and every Muslim, person of Middle East origin and anyone else who has shown sympathy for the enemy would be rounded up and confined. And every building and city in America would have not protection from Military operations to hunt down and kill the enemy.

We are in a state of war. We can choose to fight this war on our soil with an iron fist or we can choose to fight this war with the least amount of inconvenience to our citizens. Right now, Bush and our security apparatus is trying to do the later, but they could just as easily do the former. American Citizens need to realize the additional efforts and risks involved in fighting this way and if their civil liberties are infringed upon for the greater good, then get over it - because you could just as easily be sitting in a stadium under armed gaurd.

Bush is pushing the limits, but not doing anything that anyone with a little common sense wouldn't DEMAND that he do given the current state of war. So here's what we should all expect. If you are involved in any activity that might put you in a position to be communicating or working with our enemy, you're gonna be on the radar. And you should be happy you are, not leaking to the NYTimes.


40 posted on 12/23/2005 8:40:12 PM PST by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope when Liberals pull us off the cliff?)
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The EPA doesn`t need a warrant to shove a probe up the tailpipe of my car.

I find it curious that simply monitoring the air somehow requires a warrant now.

I guess I will ask for one the next time the emission inspection on my car is due.


43 posted on 12/23/2005 8:46:33 PM PST by Peace will be here soon ((Liberal definition of looting: "Self-help Humanitarian Aid."))
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Not the entire country. It's just the democrats looking for any way they can find to stop Bush's poll numbers from rising, by attacking our country and hoping that hurting us will hurt our leader.


47 posted on 12/23/2005 9:07:35 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Why is there a need to defend such a sensible thing, to try to prevent a major catastrophy of a nuclear attack on a US city?!

From the sound of it, the program doesn't much different from prowl cars patrolling the streets in suspicious neighborhoods.

Last I heard, no warrant was necessary.

49 posted on 12/23/2005 9:22:01 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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we were talking in detail on the other thread about this - I am not surprised to see the link in this article to that SCOTUS decision.


54 posted on 12/23/2005 10:42:05 PM PST by oceanview
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Another spin:

The US expected an imminent terrorist nuke attack in the days following 9-11, and did everything possible and legal to try to stop it. Fortunately, the attack never came to pass, but for weeks the WH and senior planners were in real agony over our extreme vulnerability and their relative helplessness to stop it.

This experience has shaped our foreign policy since.
55 posted on 12/23/2005 10:45:45 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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So I can have plutonium in my house and it's a violation of my fourth amendment rights for the feds to monitor it? I'm not sure I'm happy with that much privacy.


56 posted on 12/24/2005 12:02:11 AM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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It is all a misunderstanding.

CAIR and the media tools have simply misread the relevant court rulings and confused the American right to privacy with the traditional Islamic right to piracy.

57 posted on 12/24/2005 8:19:31 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Islamo-terrorists: Strike force of the MSM)
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"Asked about the program's status, the official said, "I'd understood it had been stopped or significantly rolled back" as early as eight months ago."

I hope this is just disinformation.

58 posted on 12/24/2005 8:25:02 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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I went to CNN and this story is the lead today. They have a video of "Muslim reaction" and as expected "Muslims" are outraged at the warrantless intrusion, etc.

I think that someone is trying to do a little Islamic rabble rousing- perhaps as a leadup to riots as in France and Australia?

Why would I think so- well, there were two people interviewed, Mahdi Bray and Deedra Abboud. Although CNN just put up their names, I plunked them into my trusty search engine and learned that Mahdi Brey just coincidentally is the executive director of the Muslim American Society, and Deedra Abboud is, guess what, executive director of CAIR!

What a happenstance that CNN should randomly find these two and that they are outraged!
59 posted on 12/24/2005 8:51:11 AM PST by DBrow
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Three vehicles in Washington monitored 120 sites a day, nearly all of them Muslim targets identified by the FBI.

First, as a Northern Virginia citizen, I am personally comforted that the feds are monitoring the arms depots and recruiting stations (aka "mosques") of the Islamist demons.

The Dar al Hijra mosque in Falls Church is hopefully a prime surveillance target, since one of OBL's brothers was on the board and it is also the place where several 9/11 hijackers made the connections to get phony Virginia IDs. The recent report on Saudi Islamist literature ("Jews are pigs") included Dar al Hijra in its survey list.

Let's also pay close attention to the Skyline condos and apartments exactly one mile from Dar al Hijra at Bailey's Crossroads, which is stuffed to the rafters with Islamists and other terrorist sympathizers (see Paul Sperry's "Infiltration" for more). Immediately after 9/11, the FBI found numerous "recently vacated" apartments and condos at Skyline, and thne previous occupants weren't Euros, they were clearly of Arabic lineage.

Much more, but that should make anyone thankful for nuke monitoring.

60 posted on 12/24/2005 9:12:05 AM PST by angkor
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(program stopped)

F***king PC bulls**t. Treason used to be a crime.

61 posted on 12/24/2005 9:16:02 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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