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To: mlc9852
But the Bible does say God created humans as humans, doesn't it?

The Bible says that, but you are the one who has locked his mind on the idea that "created" means zapped into existence instantly. You are incapable of imagining that "created" could have been a 3+ billion year project with ape like creatures in-between.

Even ignoring the "day" length problem, Genesis cannot possibly be true without bending the rules of physics. Sure, God could have done so, but why would he break his own physical laws, merely to make a very short synopsis of his Creation make physical sense? It's so very much more believable that Genesis was not intended to be literally true, because to make it so would have made it incomprehensible to earlier generations, and way too long to fit in the Bible.

The sad part is that the ID people you support are attempting to change the very definition of "science" to allow for supernatural intervention. And you don't understand that a "science" that labels anything it doesn't understand as "god did it", is a science that has no reason to inquire further into the nature of the universe. Because if it did learn new things, it might undermine something that was believed to be Gods territory, as the understanding of evolution has done.

Imagine if "science" said that God lit up the sun, there would be no inquiry into the nuclear science of it, because people like you would scream heresy. The marrying of "science" and faith destroys science. The two subjects *must* be kept separate.

You, and your kind, are taking us back into a new dark ages. And you're oblivious to that fact, and completely unconcerned. I will do everything I can to make sure you fail.

484 posted on 12/22/2005 7:31:18 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby

Let scientists look for God. If He exists, scientists should be able to prove He does, shouldn't they? And just because people reject Darwin hardly takes us back to the dark ages. LOL


486 posted on 12/22/2005 7:42:30 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: narby
"You, and your kind...I will do everything I can to make sure you fail."

Your threat, albeit wind-baggish in nature, is smack-filled with religious zealotry...sort of like "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!"

There is no "day" length problem to ignore.

The funny thing is...you have repeatedly shown yourself to be willfully ignorant of Biblical Truth on these threads via your posts relating to the subject...yet you keep posting like you know something about it.

It has also been previously mentioned on these threads that the "Dark Ages" were in the public absence of Biblical Truth and Christianity, not because of it! Why are you so willing to revise history (that is not very scientific of you)?

Isn't it ironic that you consistently behave in a manner in which you allege, and then berate, creationists/IDers for behaving in?

You, as an individual, have made science an issue of faith by publicly announcing, on these threads, that you have given up your " Christian faith" as a result of "scientific truth" of, and "evidence" for, evolution.

By doing so, you have done the very wrongful thing that you claim IDers do...you have taken science to a level that it can not go...and you have "mixed" the two (science and faith) together.

You, documented via previous posts, now have evolutionary faith that science has proven, or will prove, that God, Jesus, the Bible and Christian doctrine are either inaccurate and/or non-existent.

To you and all the Darwin Fundies at Darwin Central...give the baseless threats and faith-like evolutionary assumed- conclusions a rest and just stick to real/orthodox science.

493 posted on 12/22/2005 10:17:28 AM PST by pby
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To: narby
 
The Bible says that, but you are the one who has locked his mind on the idea that "created" means zapped into existence instantly. You are incapable of imagining that "created" could have been a 3+ billion year project with ape like creatures in-between.
 
 
(Poor Narby... I just won't let up...    ;^)


Genesis 1
 
 1.  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
 2.  Now the earth was  formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
 3.  And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
 
 
This is a GOD who creates by speaking; but; how LONG did it take?
 
Now Jesus was a man who had God-like powers.  Was HE God?   The Book says so.......
 
 
 
 
NIV Colossians 1:13-17
 13.  For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
 14.  in whom we have redemption,  the forgiveness of sins.

 15.  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
 16.  For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
 17.  He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
 
 
NIV Revelation 4:11
 11.  "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
 
 
NIV Revelation 10:6
 6.  And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

 
Notice that when this man speaks, things happen RIGHT NOW!   Not after some times passes and the body heals itself.
 
 
 
NIV Matthew 8:2-3
 2.  A man with leprosy  came and knelt before him and said, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean."
 3.  Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately he was cured  of his leprosy.
 
 
NIV Matthew 21:19
   Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
 
 
NIV Mark 1:41-42
 41.  Filled with compassion, Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!"
 42.  Immediately the leprosy left him and he was cured.
 
 
NIV Mark 5:41-42
 41.  He took her by the hand and said to her, "Talitha koum!" (which means, "Little girl, I say to you, get up!").
 42.  Immediately the girl stood up and walked around (she was twelve years old). At this they were completely astonished.
 
 
NIV Mark 10:51-52
 51.  "What do you want me to do for you?" Jesus asked him.   The blind man said, "Rabbi, I want to see."
 52.  "Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.
 
 
NIV Luke 5:13
  Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" And Immediately the leprosy left him.
 
 
NIV Luke 5:24-25
 24.  But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins. . . ." He said to the paralyzed man, "I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home."
 25.  Immediately he stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying on and went home praising God.
 
 
NIV Luke 8:44
  She came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak, and Immediately her bleeding stopped.
 
 
NIV Luke 13:12-13
 12.  When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, "Woman, you are set free from your infirmity."
 13.  Then he put his hands on her, and Immediately she straightened up and praised God.
 
 
NIV Luke 18:42-43
 42.  Jesus said to him, "Receive your sight; your faith has healed you."
 43.  Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus, praising God. When all the people saw it, they also praised God.
 
 
NIV Acts 9:33-35
 33.  There he found a man named Aeneas, a paralytic who had been bedridden for eight years.
 34.  "Aeneas," Peter said to him, "Jesus Christ heals you. Get up and take care of your mat." Immediately Aeneas got up.
 35.  All those who lived in Lydda and Sharon saw him and turned to the Lord.
 
 
NIV Matthew 8:13
 13.  Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour.
 
 
NIV Matthew 15:28
 28.  Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.


 
Now if this same personage, who can do things in an instant, how LONG would it take Him to CREATE all of this???


504 posted on 12/22/2005 3:15:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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