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Dover Intelligent Design Decision Criticized as a Futile Attempt to Censor Science Education
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Posted on 12/20/2005 12:12:16 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: aft_lizard
I think there are plenty of people "dumb" enough to appeal it. One word: standing
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posted on
12/20/2005 2:27:07 PM PST
by
Oztrich Boy
(so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
To: gdne
See, I would have used all that info to prove the opposite point. The flu virus mutates. Are mutation and evolution synonyms? No.
Mutation, to me, means minor changes within a species. Evolution means one species changing to another, like apes to man, fish to horses, etc.
Case in point: The train tunnels under the Hudson River have escape routes. The problem will be if they are ever needed because they are built for an average man 150 years ago, about 5-7 and 140 pounds (roughly). But we are bigger on average today. This is not evolution, it's husbandry (better feed and care.)
Like begets like. Like does not beget unlike.
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posted on
12/20/2005 2:29:30 PM PST
by
jjmcgo
To: brytlea
"and it sounds as if the people would have made the same decision the judge did in this case"
The people voted in that board and then voted them out when they performed poorly.
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posted on
12/20/2005 2:30:51 PM PST
by
jjmcgo
To: Siegfried The Red
Sorry for the broken sentences and poor grammar, I have been busy and trying to multitask. Anyways I missed this jewel from you: And good luck in your degree, although if you really don't care whether you are right or wrong in your beliefs, you probably don't care whether you get an A or an F either, it's all the same, right? Professors are probably just a bunch of anti-religious conspirators trying to make sure you fail anyway, right? Of course I care. Obviously. And no I dont think my professors are anti-christian bigots, except for this one... anyways I am thinking of specializing in cytology and and working on my doctorate later,seeing as I cant apply my 26 credits of civil engineering towards anything.
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posted on
12/20/2005 2:31:03 PM PST
by
aft_lizard
(What does G-d look like then if we evolved from nothing?See Genisis Ch 1:26-27)
To: aft_lizard
Having drank the Kool-Aid, you will get your degree.
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posted on
12/20/2005 2:32:11 PM PST
by
jjmcgo
To: Dave S
Try developing or discussing any tenants of intelligent design that conflict with "Genesis" in any way and you will realize that you are wrong.
I'm having this very same problem right now... I'm trying to explain *why* ID debases Genesis in it's entirety, but unfortunately, I haven't read the actually 'publications' for ID, only the bible, and so it's hard to make the connections to someone who believes that they really do have one less rib than I do. *shudder* That seriously scares me... said person asked me what my scientific explanation for men missing a rib is!!!!!!!
146
posted on
12/20/2005 2:32:14 PM PST
by
Jhohanna
(Born Free)
To: jjmcgo
What kool-aid? And for which side?
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posted on
12/20/2005 2:35:49 PM PST
by
aft_lizard
(What does G-d look like then if we evolved from nothing?See Genisis Ch 1:26-27)
To: truthfinder9
Where?!?! In fact, genetics and behavioral development both say otherwise:
http://mednews.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/5640.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051212120211.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9912319/from/RL.4/
Ok, well, I had another link I wanted to post, but I can't locate it right now. But what I want to know is why do you think that Genetic studies have been showing that primates and humans are NOT related. I'm interested in the studies, as a genetics scholar (part time of course).
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posted on
12/20/2005 2:59:37 PM PST
by
Jhohanna
(Born Free)
To: Oztrich Boy
I hear you. (The difference obviously missed you.) "The attractive force between two bodies is proportional to their masses and inversly proportional to the square of the distance between them" - That's the LAW of gravity. Why? - That's the THEORY of gravity. And there's a Nobel Prize in it for you if you can come up with a better explanation than the current one.Please continue my education. The law of evolution would be.....?
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posted on
12/20/2005 4:55:08 PM PST
by
jdsteel
(I need a new tag line!!!)
To: truthfinder9
During the trial, the board argued that it was trying improve science education by exposing students to alternatives to Charles Darwin's theory of evolution and natural selection.
The policy required students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade lessons on evolution. The statement said Darwin's theory is "not a fact" and has inexplicable "gaps." It referred students to an intelligent-design textbook, "Of Pandas and People."
But the judge said: "We find that the secular purposes claimed by the board amount to a pretext for the board's real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom."
excerpt: http://apnews.myway.com//article/20051221/D8EKABI80.html
So I' trying to figure out WHICH religion would be promoted by the Intelligent Design theory.
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posted on
12/20/2005 5:11:20 PM PST
by
Sun
(Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
To: jdsteel
Please continue my education. The law of evolution would be.....? What's the inistance on law?
We can't predict when and where hurricanes will be formed.
There's no Law of Hurricanes. But we have a theory of hurricane formation (And it's not "Rain God angry")
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posted on
12/20/2005 5:35:13 PM PST
by
Oztrich Boy
(so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
To: jjmcgo
And that's how it's supposed to work!
susie
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posted on
12/20/2005 6:33:16 PM PST
by
brytlea
(I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
To: All; brytlea
A good intelligent design book is I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist, recommended by David Limbaugh.
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posted on
12/20/2005 6:47:24 PM PST
by
Sun
(Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
To: Sun
THank you, I'm not really familiar with what is taught (we didn't teach it, of course--however if it had been an option to discuss I would have made sure I got up to speed on it).
susie
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posted on
12/20/2005 6:58:04 PM PST
by
brytlea
(I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
To: rhombus
"Would that be the creationist creation?"
Nah. They can procreate, but create?
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posted on
12/20/2005 7:06:34 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: truthfinder9
"but many scientists do think ID is science."
The court decision [available online] addresses your point in great detail - there are not many scientists thinking ID is a science, and those few who might are dubious scientists.
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posted on
12/20/2005 7:12:56 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: GSlob; truthfinder9
"The court decision [available online] addresses your point in great detail - there are not many scientists thinking ID is a science, and those few who might are dubious scientists."
It will take time for more scientists to come around, because of decades of hearing only one side, but here are 700 free thinkers:
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103AP_Czech_Intelligent_Design.html
Monday, October 24, 2005
'Intelligent design' supporters gather
By ONDREJ HEJMA
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
PRAGUE, Czech Republic -- Hundreds of supporters of "intelligent design" theory gathered in Prague in the first such conference in eastern Europe, but Czech scholars boycotted the event insisting it had no scientific credence.
About 700 scientists from Africa, Europe and the United States attended Saturday's "Darwin and Design" conference to press their contention that evolution cannot fully explain the origins of life or the emergence of highly complex species.
excerpt
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posted on
12/20/2005 7:25:12 PM PST
by
Sun
(Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
To: Sun
There are scientists and there are kooks. They normally differ.
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posted on
12/20/2005 7:29:30 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: Sun
From
my blog.
Bogus conference for bogus science
As discussed on the inestimable Panda's Thumb, Bruce Chapman in yesterday's New York Times claimed a recent European conference on intelligent design - held in Prague and ignored by The Times - attracted 700 attendees, and featured leading scientists from Britain, the Netherlands, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, as well as the United States.
We have no way of independently verifying who or how many attended, but the conference schedule is on line, and it featured a measly five speakers - four of them old antievolution hacks of long standing - over one day. The conference registration was a little over $20 -- too much to pay for rubbish, you might say, but it included coffee and lunch. The web page looks like it was put together by a computer science student on a wet Saturday morning. There was a booth where they sold the standard antievolution tracts translated into Czech, and that's it. If this is an international conference, my group meeting is an international conference.
This is the web page for the FEBS/IUBMB conference in nearby Budapest in July. Compare and contrast.
BTW, seminary teacher William Dembski, erstwhile luminary of the ID movement, banned me from his uncommon dissent blog for merely mentioning the size of this conference. I guess they're embarrassed it was so tiny.
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posted on
12/20/2005 7:39:00 PM PST
by
Right Wing Professor
(Liberals have hijacked science for long enough. Now it's our turn -- Tom Bethell)
To: Dave S
ID is not metaphysics. It merely proposes that the stuff of life, DNA, was designed by an intelligent agent. Francis Crick believed that there was not enough time for DNA to accidently originate on Earth, in the short period from the existence of liquid water to the first signs of life. He thought that "pan spermia", DNA originating else where in the universe, and propagated to the Earth, was more likely than its spontaneous eruption on Earth.
It is conceivable that some advanced civilization encoded the seeds of life into DNA, that included instructions to generate a plethora of utilitarian regimes to deal with a broad scope of environmental conditions, and to select for sets of effective regimes to enhance survival of the package. And then broadcast these seeds throughout the universe.
Even in our primitive state of knowledge with computer software codes, we develop genetic algorithms that cope with varying conditions in virtual space, and select and incorporate the most effective code fragments to deal with particular problems.
The payoff in exploring this interesting idea is motivation to decode DNA, with researchers looking for encoded messages that lead to greater understanding without having to wait for evolution to express the design.
Our "junk" DNA could be an encyclopedia of knowledge!
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