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Diebold thrown out of Florida by hacker
The Inquirer (A UK Tech Journal) ^ | December 20, 2005 | Nick Farrell

Posted on 12/20/2005 9:28:57 AM PST by ConservativeMind

A FINNISH security expert has proved to the supervisor of elections in Leon County Florida that it is a doddle to hack Diebold voting machines.

Harri Hursti took part in a fake election in Leon County using what Diebold calls unhackable technology.

At the beginning of the test election the memory card programmed by Harri Hursti was inserted into an Optical Scan Diebold voting machine. Hursti had pre-loaded the memory card with plus and minus votes.

The eight ballots were run through the optical scan machine. Correct results should have been: Yes:2 ; No:6 However, just as Hursti had planned, the results tape read: Yes:7 ; No:1

To be fair to Diebold, the Hursti Hack requires a moderate level of inside access, however it does not require a password and it is the same level of access given thousands of poll workers across the USA.

More here.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: diebold; electronicvoting; evoting; harrihursti; hursti
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The current crop of e-voting machines can be easily fooled. Without an independent way to validate each person's vote once placed, we are all screwed.
1 posted on 12/20/2005 9:28:59 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

Go back to paper ballots, or even uto the the system in place before about 1840--everyone appears before the election board, and VERBALLY says who they vote for, in the presence of representatives of both parties, who write down what they said.
That way, the dead can't vote (at least not until Resurrection Day).


2 posted on 12/20/2005 9:31:17 AM PST by CondorFlight
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To: ConservativeMind
Purple fingers are looking better and better!!!!
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3 posted on 12/20/2005 9:32:17 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Why waste time learning when ignorance is instantaneous---Hobbes the Tiger)
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To: ConservativeMind

Do they call these "hanging electrons", or is it still chad? The whole thing is a joke and we should really get serious about it or the demorats will steal every election they can.


4 posted on 12/20/2005 9:33:44 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: ConservativeMind
Got to be a paper trail to double check if we have to.
Optical scanners with paper ballots is still the best way to ensure an accurate check of the system after the initial count.
5 posted on 12/20/2005 9:33:53 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: ConservativeMind

Its obvious that the democrat strongholds reprogrammed the cards to switch Kerry votes to Bush votes in Ohio... *rolling eyes*


6 posted on 12/20/2005 9:35:01 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: ConservativeMind

What's wrong with optically scanned paper ballots? They are accurate, easy to use and provide an good option for hand recounts.


7 posted on 12/20/2005 9:35:22 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: geezerwheezer

In this case would they be "faulty fluxes"........?


8 posted on 12/20/2005 9:37:28 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge


9 posted on 12/20/2005 9:37:34 AM PST by FOG724 (http://nationalgrange.org/legislation/phpBB2/index.php)
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To: ConservativeMind
We will screw around until the only safe way will be implanted chips.
10 posted on 12/20/2005 9:38:03 AM PST by bmwcyle (Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
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To: MediaMole

Then when the RATS lose the election, bags of vote can be "found".


11 posted on 12/20/2005 9:38:12 AM PST by sticker
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To: MediaMole

Our county uses those. No problems here........Panhandle Florida.......


12 posted on 12/20/2005 9:38:40 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: ConservativeMind

They give somebody access inside the machine to install their own pre-programmed card, and they call this "hacking"??

What system is there that would NOT be compromised by allowing somebody access to the inside of the box?

Good grief.


13 posted on 12/20/2005 9:38:53 AM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: ConservativeMind

Then go back to paper ballots . . . ooops, Democrats don't like that either. Their voters have to actually think to vote.


14 posted on 12/20/2005 9:40:34 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: CondorFlight

I think we need to start dipping our fingers in ink here.


15 posted on 12/20/2005 9:40:47 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: ConservativeMind

ATM's ??????


16 posted on 12/20/2005 9:40:50 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: MediaMole
What's wrong with optically scanned paper ballots? They are accurate, easy to use and provide an good option for hand recounts.

Your question answers itself.

17 posted on 12/20/2005 9:43:42 AM PST by Grut
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To: ConservativeMind
The key is physical access to the machines or the cards. If the machines are mere registers, if the cards are zeroed out and physically protected until inserted into the machines at the beginning of the day, and if the machines are kept isolated from any networks during the day, and if the registers are simply written to a CD/DVD at the end of the voting day for aggregation - I do not see how you can consider these systems highly vulnerable. This "demonstration"only proved it is possible to hold a demonstration of vote tabulation fraud when you set all conditions favorable to fraud.
18 posted on 12/20/2005 9:48:11 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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> At the beginning of the test election the memory card programmed by Harri Hursti was inserted into an Optical Scan Diebold voting machine.

The memory card Harri inserted had to be a programmable-read-only-memory (PROM) card.

If it was one different than the Diebold version it would produce whatever results Harri programmed onto the "memory card programmed by Harri Hursti."

If you change the progam, the results will change.

If the Diebold machines use a Read-only (ROM) memory card, which I'm sure they do, nothing can change the algorithm.

This demonstration is total bullsh*t.


19 posted on 12/20/2005 9:49:22 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: ConservativeMind
I wrote this article just after the 2000 election.

Ballot Transparency to Eliminate Fraudulent Counts

Voters have read and seen all sorts of assurances that the new touch-screen balloting systems are fool proof, tamper proof, and nothing to worry about. Many, including those who are familiar with the technology, are not at all reassured.

The concerns are on two levels. First, from the perspective of those not familiar with the technology, it is a device whose inner workings and inherent security they cannot possibly understand. If they can't understand it, how can they be assured that it is honest? Second, those who DO understand signal processing, software, and communications technology know that is far too easy to defraud the system in a way that would be irreversible and undetected. Either way, touch-screens are a loser.

Now, as users of ATMs, cell phones, the Internet, and other electronic media, it might at first seem a little strange that so many people have such concerns. Upon further consideration however, the key distinctions between voting and a service handling mere money become obvious:

·         Customers have a choice of banking vendors. Citizens don’t have a choice of governments.

·         There is a major difference between mere financial assets at risk, and a risk to individual liberty.

Governments are monopolies. One can go down the street to another bank and take the offending bank to court. An evil government can land you in prison (or worse) because they ARE the court. The stakes associated with voter fraud are far higher than with an ATM. So is the temptation to defraud the system.

Necessary and Sufficient

So, given that we are still smarting over hanging chads, what are the alternatives? Let’s begin to answer that question by looking at the requirements.

·         The system has to be simple and familiar to the voter.

·         There must be NO SOFTWARE involved, because it is too easy to change.

·         The system must be capable of completely manual operation.

·         The count must be capable of being validated by all parties involved and each count must be separate and distinct.

·         There must be no possibility to count a ballot twice or "lose" counts along the way.

Electronic sensors and interlocks are permissible as long as they can be duplicated manually.

Here is my proposal for a system that meets these requirements:

At the Polling Place

1.        Ballot boxes must be preprinted, serialized and tracked by a physical chain-of-custody document.

2.        The box must be destroyed to be opened.

3.        The box must be locked under a ballot receiving machine.

4.        The ballot receiving machine at the polling place should read the box number and record it on the ballot in a fill-in-the-box pattern on the back side. Note that one could do the same manually under observation.

5.        The voter completes the standard optical ballot and delivers it to the receiving machine. Note that the optical pattern is a perfect bridge between human and machine: It is readable by people for manual counting but does not require an optical character reading machine that needs cameras or software.

6.        The machine prints the box number on the back of every ballot it accepts with a fill-in-the-box pattern. This too can be both read and performed manually. Then a dry film coating (basically an adhesive or heat activated tape) is applied to the ballot on the way into the sealed ballot box.

7.        The coating is transparent but reveals a "watermark" when exposed to UV light. The ballot is now tamperproof.

8.        The receiving machine totals the number of ballots in every box. The total is read manually and a receipt is delivered to each political party and candidate detailing the box numbers, precincts, and tally of ballots in every uniquely identified box. Thus parties know the EXACT number of ballots cast in every precinct and in every box. Every box is signed. All parties can thus run check sums at the processing centers and verify the chain-of-custody.

9.        Representatives of all Parties check the box tallies before the boxes leave the polling place.

10.     If they agree on its accuracy, they record the ballot tally on the box using a fill-in-the-box pattern, initial it, and put a similar dry film over the number.

At the Ballot Counting Center

1.        The total of the ballots on the box is read by the counting machine. It would be very similar to the existing optical reader and might only require very minor modifications.

2.        The counting machine reads the box code for precinct and ballot count or accepts that data input from a keypad read off the box by at least two witnesses with keys. The machine will not count the ballots without the UV visible watermark on the ballot over the votes AND matching precinct codes on the box and the ballot.

3.        The machine halts and will not display the vote totals if the number of ballots recorded on the box and the number it counts do not match.

4.        The ballots leave the counting machine get a NEW ballot box. Counted ballots are stamped again with output box number, recoated, and then deposited into the new sealed ballot box.

5.        The new coating was applied in case of a recount, thus each ballot maintains a recount history.


20 posted on 12/20/2005 9:50:54 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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