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To: robowombat
Then the imponderable happened. In the third century A.D., Iran changed from a passive to a powerfully offensive nation under a revitalized religion, a monotheist religion, the wor­ship of Ahura Mazda, the Lord of Truth, the reli­gion that had once been prophesied by Zoroaster. Iran began to sweep into the frontiers of the Roman Empire, which were too stretched in terms of its military and other commitments. As a result, the Persian forces swept right through the fairest prov­inces of the Roman East. At the same time, the Ger­manic tribes formed new federations and coalitions and swept into the Roman Empire in the West, including Gaul and Britain.

What apparently really happened, is that a climate change had occurred that put pressure on the "horse people" of the steppe, who pushed outward against both the Persians and the Germanic tribes, who then pushed against Rome.

Dr. Fears seems ultimately to have missed out on the real problem with Rome: it fell because Roman citizens had lost their energy -- they were decadent, and had decided to hire foreign soldiers to fight their wars for them. In the words of John Adams, they had ceased to be "moral and religious." And so when push came to shove, they found themselves morally unequal to the task of defending themselves.

30 posted on 12/20/2005 7:50:12 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

But WHY did the Roman Citizens lose their energy? Did they suffer from cultural undermining as we do today? Was it their welfare state (bread & circuses)?

I think people that are enslaved DO yearn for freedom. It is those who are coddled that choose security.


48 posted on 12/20/2005 9:05:16 AM PST by ichabod1 (Sic Omnia Gloria Fugit)
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To: r9etb; robowombat
What apparently really happened, is that a climate change had occurred that put pressure on the "horse people" of the steppe, who pushed outward against both the Persians and the Germanic tribes, who then pushed against Rome

What's interesting is that these tribes were pushed in the East by China whose Emperors took on raids against these nomads to prevent them attacking China and they expanded their northern defense walls. So, the Chinese caused the attacks on Rome ;-P
103 posted on 12/21/2005 12:09:14 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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