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OH MY (60 minutes Echelon exposed transcript Feb 27th, 2000)
NRO ^ | Mark (the great one) Levin

Posted on 12/18/2005 7:57:09 PM PST by hipaatwo

What's this?


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; carnivore; echelon; mikefrost; msmspies; msmtraitors; nsa; patriotleak; shootthetraitors; spies; spying; surveillance; traitors; x42
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To: p23185

"NSA does more than intercept comm. It is the military expert on crypto."

To be accurate, I think you should strike the word "military" from your last sentence. Unless you know a more expert org'n than NSA on cryptographics.


61 posted on 12/18/2005 9:24:42 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: hipaatwo; Eagle9
Jam Echelon Day 1999

A FreeRepublic thread in 1999:

The words that can get you spied on

62 posted on 12/18/2005 9:39:16 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Petruchio; Claymoremind; Geezerette; RaceBannon; bmwcyle; Askel5; Wallaby; PasnThru; copycat; ...

Ping for a trip down memory lane.... (see my post above).


63 posted on 12/18/2005 9:44:23 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
I've been looking for that second thread, "The List", since ... a long time. I remember both of those threads. Thanks for posting the links. Bookmark, before the 1 hour limit goes into effect.
64 posted on 12/18/2005 9:46:51 PM PST by Eagle9
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To: cc2k; Fred Mertz; Cicero; IronJack; Gone_Postal; Magician

PING for a trip down memory lane.


65 posted on 12/18/2005 9:47:00 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: hipaatwo

BUMP!!


66 posted on 12/18/2005 9:47:46 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Grampa Dave
See my post above.
67 posted on 12/18/2005 9:48:31 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: hipaatwo

what? this happened underr Clinton? why this can't be!!! where's the outrage! this is unheard of!


68 posted on 12/18/2005 9:49:51 PM PST by Cinnamon
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To: Lancey Howard; hipaatwo
Old thread re-link from October 1999:

Hackers Ascend Upper 'Echelon'

69 posted on 12/18/2005 9:50:24 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Eagle9

You might want to hit copy source code as well, just for kicks.


70 posted on 12/18/2005 9:51:06 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Cinnamon

Yeah, and many of us were understandably disturbed at the thought of Hillary! making use of this system.


71 posted on 12/18/2005 9:51:48 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: All
Hey Mom! Ship Ahoy.

Is this more DERR??

see post *Derr Zot*

72 posted on 12/18/2005 9:52:15 PM PST by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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To: M Kehoe; D-fendr; Principled; MonroeDNA; Lurker; Squantos; dagny taggert; agentsmiley; Zon; ...

PING for a trip down FR Memory Lane.


73 posted on 12/18/2005 9:55:02 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: oceanview
its not illegal. "exposing" that's its being done doesn't make it illegal - so long as the activity is within the scope of the FISA rules, whether done under Clinton or Bush, its not illegal.

I know all that. Still doesn't mean the RINOs or the MSM will bring it up.

74 posted on 12/18/2005 9:56:44 PM PST by GoBucks2002
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To: hipaatwo

http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terrorism_militias/fisa_faq.html

18. Does FISA authorize surveillance without a court order?
Yes. In general, the Justice Department may engage in electronic
surveillance to collect FII without a court order for periods up to one
year. 50 U.S.C. § 1802. There must be no "substantial likelihood" that the
intercepted communications include those to which a U.S. person is a party.
§ 1802(a)(1)(B).

Such electronic surveillance must be certified by the Attorney General and
then noticed to the Senate and House intelligence committees. § 1802(a)(2).
A copy of the certification must be filed with the FISC, where it remains
sealed unless (a) an application for a warrant with respect to it is filed,
or (b) the legality of the surveillance is challenged in another federal
district court under § 1806(f). § 1802(a)(3). Common carriers must assist in
the surveillance and maintain its secrecy. § 1802(a)(4).

In emergencies, the Attorney General may authorize immediate surveillance
but must "as soon as practicable, but not more than twenty-four hours"
later, seek judicial review of the emergency application. § 1805(e).

19. Is FISA really constitutional?
Lower courts have found FISA constitutional. See e.g., United States v.
Duggan, 743 F.2d 59(2d Cir. 1984); United States v. Belfield, 692 F.2d 141
(D.C.Cir 1982); United States v. Nicholson, 955 F.Supp. 588 (E.D. Va. 1997).

In United States v. U.S. District Court, the Supreme Court used a two-part
Fourth Amendment reasonableness test. It is doubtful whether the FISA review
process satisfies the Court's first measure of the reasonableness of
warrantless surveillance -- whether the citizens' interest in privacy and
free expression are better served by a warrant requirement.

The second element --whether a judicially imposed law enforcement warrant
requirement would "unduly frustrate the efforts of Government to protect
itself" -- may be more easily met in the foreign intelligence setting. But
Title III has for more than 30 years required more stringent procedures for
criminal investigatory wiretaps.

also:

http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/standards.html

http://www.usdoj.gov/oipr/readingroom/oipr_records.htm








75 posted on 12/18/2005 9:57:39 PM PST by AmeriBrit (HILLARY's1974 Watergate Crimes: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/925684/posts)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

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76 posted on 12/18/2005 9:59:34 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: japaneseghost; UCANSEE2
Project Echelon intercepting global communications

Designed during the Cold War, Echelon primarily intercepts worldwide non-millitary communications including those from governments, organizations, businesses, and individuals. It could intercept practically any communication between, and often within, countries anywhere in the world.

Receiving International Telecommunications Satellites (Intelsats)

An array of receiving stations collect all international communications carried by approximately 20 Intelsat satellites. The Intelsats are used by the telephone companies of most countries. Though they carry primarily civilian traffic, they also carry diplomatic and governmental communications. These Intelsats are positioned in stationary orbit around the equator and carry tens of thousands of simultaneous phone calls, faxes, and e-mails.

Echelon's Intelsat receiving stations include:

* Morwenstow, England - Atlantic and Indian Oceans satellites transmitting to Europe, Africa and western Asia
* Sugar Grove, near Washington, D.C. - Atlantic satellites beamed to North and South America
* Yakima Firing Center, near Seattle, Washington - Pacific and Far East satellites
* Waihopai, New Zealand - Pacific and Indian Ocean satellites covering Asia and the South Pacific
* Geraldton, Australia - Pacific and Indian Ocean satellites covering Asia and the South Pacific
* Ascension Island - Atlantic satellites covering the southern hemisphere

Receiving Non-Intelsat Satellites

Numerous satellites carry domestic communications. These regional communications are monitored by the above stations as well as the following additional monitoring stations.

* Menwith Hill, England
* Shoal Bay, Australia - targets Indonesian satellites
* Leitrim, Canada - targets Latin American satellites
* Bad Aibling, Germany
* Misawa, Japan

77 posted on 12/18/2005 10:02:40 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: aft_lizard; hipaatwo
What about Plum Island?

Among other things, biological and chemical research. Then tested in a controlled environment so that if a worst case scenario , i.e. test goes awry and any is released into lab air system, it can be locked down and "cleaned".

78 posted on 12/18/2005 10:06:27 PM PST by Eagle9
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
You might want to hit copy source code as well, just for kicks.

Good suggestion. I'll just copy source code to Nvu , a free HTML editor.

79 posted on 12/18/2005 10:13:52 PM PST by Eagle9
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To: NoCmpromiz

ping


80 posted on 12/18/2005 10:48:30 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluaralistic statement.)
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