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To: libertyman
"Just because certain "prior approved methods" have been done for decades doesn't mean they are constitutional either. For example, Roe v. Wade is now "settled law", but that doesn't mean it's constitutional."

"Roe v Wade" also has nothing to do with the Patriot Act either, so your point is useless. Which criminal investigation and intelligence means that were legal before the Patriot Act do you claim were "unconstitutional", and why?

Terrorist acts are acts that come under the framework of "invasion and insurrection", which Congress is required by the Constitution to provide for the necessary laws that enable the nation to provide counter measures for. Simply because terrorists do not wear uniforms, do not represent another soverign power, and hide among the civilian population does not change the external originationg threat to which the Congress and the Executive are required to defend the people against. The fact that they hide here, domestically, among our own citizens does not change the type of threat they represent and therefore the nature of the counter measures needed to identify, track and counter them. You have no privacy or rights if you are dead. Your security is always the first and primary responsibility of any government. You can give up your security to some mental confort about your "rights", but the rest of us will deal with the real world of real threats.

91 posted on 12/16/2005 12:54:06 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I used Roe v. Wade as an example of a "prior approved method"that you said was ok or proper for government to use, not 'cuz I thought it had anything to do w/ the Patriot Act.

DUHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


98 posted on 12/16/2005 1:07:57 PM PST by libertyman ("....It's [the Constitution] just a g-ddamned piece of paper" --Presidebt Bush, Nov. '05)
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To: Wuli
Your security is always the 1st & primary responsibility of any government."

Not hardly--protecting out God-given right to life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness is the "1st & primary responsibility of government". I can secure MYSELF w/ a gun & a moral & armed populace, thank you very much.

103 posted on 12/16/2005 1:18:32 PM PST by libertyman ("....It's [the Constitution] just a g-ddamned piece of paper" --Presidebt Bush, Nov. '05)
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