Posted on 12/16/2005 10:58:09 AM PST by new yorker 77
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Larry Craig – Idaho
Phone: (202) 224-2752
Email: http://craig.senate.gov/email/
Website: http://craig.senate.gov/
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Chuck Hagel – Nebraska
Phone: (202) 224-4224
Email: http://hagel.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Home
Website: http://hagel.senate.gov/
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Lisa Murkowski – Alaska
Phone: (202) 224-6665
Email: http://murkowski.senate.gov/contact.cfm
Website: http://murkowski.senate.gov
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John Sununu – New Hampshire
Phone: (202) 224-2841
Email: http://www.sununu.senate.gov/webform.html
Website: http://sununu.senate.gov/
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Frist also voted against it in order to keep the option open to hold another future cloture vote.
No, an accurate comparison would be to President Madison's spying on American citizens prior to the War of 1812.
But that would cause ranters like you who know nothing of the Constitution fits.
If the federal government really cared about security, the southern border would be closed, and immigration would be tightly controlled at every entry point.
The Patriot Act isn't for fighting terrorism; it is for controlling citizens.
Not hardly--protecting out God-given right to life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness is the "1st & primary responsibility of government". I can secure MYSELF w/ a gun & a moral & armed populace, thank you very much.
I honestly don't think that they worship the Patriot Act so much as they worship Bush. Some kind of twisted "If Bush wants it, it must be good" kind of mental illness or something. They seem either unwilling or unable to actually read the PA.
I can understand their ignorance, to a point, since many of the changes to US law in the PA are merely changes of a word here, or a sentence there. You have to look up the law and see what the actual change was.
The same way we did it all the years of the Cold War, with an enemy just as insidious. There is NO NEED for the "Patriot Act"--just the removal of the LIMITATIONS on intelligence activities passed after Vietnam by the anti-war Democrats, and especially those imposed by the administration of Billy Jeff the traitor.
"Where do you live? Maybe we can be sure that Al Queda knows how well proctected you think you will be without some of the Patriot Act provisions."
I live across Puget Sound from Tacoma--feel free to notify any Al Quaeda members you know.
Those were the words of Judge Andrew Napolitano, not mine....trash him if you want.
Agreed. Way too much power concentrated in the hands of the government. If Clintons used the IRS to go after critics what would they use the Patriot Act for...Certainly no good.
The problem is not the lack of weapons by the government, the problem is too many cover ups and incompetent leaders.
Interestingly, the northern border is specifically mentioned in the Patriot Act, while any mention of the southern border is suspiciously absent.
Not all the way up. There was a ruling by the FISA court that the Gorelick "wall" was not an accurate reflection of the previous law.
So you are comparing civilian war protestors to Al Queda terrorists? Well I agree that even anti-war critics today have a congruence on preferred results with the Al Queda in Iraq, yet Napolitano is wrong, constitutionally, because the Al Queda terrorists do no become "domestic political opponents" just because they get a phony US visa and make cell phone calls from Boston and Florida. Technology and porous borders may allow foreign enemies to conduct their terrorism plans from our own soil, but they are still a "foreign threat" and when we track them from Jordan to Hamburg to Miami, the nature of who they are and what they represent, and what the law allows us to do, has not changed. Yes, when foreign enemies come here and we know they have come here we will "spy" on them, even here.
The thing that annoys me the most is that legislation is squashed due to the "House Organ" of the Democratic party..aka the NY Slimes.
With guys like Chucky Schmucky who look to the Headline for the days position this country is doomed.
PS-I hate Specter
Many forget also it was a Republican POTUS of that era's bad judgement which brought us the sudden rise in terrorist attacks. Take a bow Gerald R Ford for sparing the lives of foreign heads of state who support terrorism and a prohibition upon killing them for doing such.
Then go to a judge & get a warrant for such spying....I have no problem w/ that for the most part.
Whoa. Only took seven posts for a rational POV. Personally, I'd rather be free than "protected".
"When it's our turn on the right to question the American government in power, how would you like the PA used against you?"
Can you explain how this would be possible and what it would take to make it possible, and how it was not possible before the Patriot Act and only possible because of the Patriot Act.
I think you are dealing with myths about the Patriot Act, compared to what was legal before the Patriot Act.
Just because the borders represent one "real" security concern, which needs improvement does not make the prescence and activities of terrorists here any less of "real threat" and in need of specific means to enable us to deal with that threat specifically, in ways we do not approve for other threats and in ways which require checks on abuses of these means.
Like criminals, the terrorists will always thwart our "border" defenses, make their way here under legal and illegal means, hide among the population and yet remain an operational "foreign" orginating threat to our national security.
Hiding from those facts does not deal with them. The Patriot Act does.
The Dems know how to gin up and manipulate a frightened mob all right.
I go along with that.
If you want to think instead, tell me what Madison's spying says about the Constitutional powers of the President.
If you want to take your condescending remarks and stuff them where the sun don't shine I'll consider answering you.
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