Posted on 12/15/2005 5:03:07 PM PST by GRRRRR
Rummy on O'Reilly NOW...
Trying to get quotes etc.
open furum for Rummy now!
Rumsfeld:
"This is a great country."
I agree with your points. OR did a GREAT job with the limited venue with Rummy.
Pretty good overall I say.
Too bad Rumsfeld wasn't there for the entire article. He's a very compelling guy.
Thu Dec 15 19:10:13 2005
"The o'reilly factor" continues right now. Bill: Continuing now with secretary of defense, donald rumsfeld. Vice president cheney said the insurgency was in its last throes. Was that a wise thing to say?
>> Well, you know, I suppose you could take that two ways. You could take it to mean that, therefore, it was ending, or you could say they were in a spurt of energy, the last throes, which would be particularly violent and dangerous and lethal. Bill: Last throes to me sounds like you've got your foot on their neck. Do you?
>> Well, I think that the reality is that these extremists are not going to sign a surrender ceremony someplace on the U.S.S. Missouri. Bill: Are you knocking them down?
>> Oh, you bet. A lot of senior people around zarqawi have been killed recently. Bill: So you're taking care of them.
>> Yes. But more come. Over time these things have a tendency to last four, five, six, eight years. So the iraqi people ultimately will be the ones that suppress that level of insurgency. And our task is to see that those iraqi security forces are strong enough that country will be able to do that. Think of it today, what they're doing. Those extremists are attacking the legitimate government of iraq, the people of iraq, the people who drafted their own constitution, ratified it and are now voting under it. They're opposing that. Bill: They just blew up their own people in amman, jordan at a wedding party.
>> That's what they do. Bill: They're savages. You know that. The press is 75% against you and the bush administration and the war. That's the calibration we make.
>> Well, some portion of the press. Bill: 75%. I don't think the "l.A. Times" is doing you any favorS. Now, you've got jack murtha, the congressman from pennsylvania getting up there and becoming an icon of the antiwar movement. Murtha won't come on this program because I don't believe he can answer the question. You wrote murtha a letter after he appeared on "meet the press" and you said you did not fire the general, as murtha asserted, and that you guys gave tommy franks all the troops that he asked foR. Murtha's running around saying that you're incompetent and you're not telling the truth. How do you deal with that?
>> Well, we've told him thiS. Anyone who looks at the record knows that the general -- boil is he lying if
>> He's mistaken. Bill: Is he willing to add miss his mistake?
>> I don't know. Ask him. Bill: He won't come on the program.
>> The next week tim russert repeated it. And then it goes in the newspapers and then it gets repeated. Bill: Why don't you get out and say to guys --
>> These are urban legends, urban myths. Bill: You have to bat it down. You have to get out there and say murtha doesn't know what he's talking about. That's the only way to combat this or it does become the urban legends.
>> Well, we do that. My attitude about things is that I've got a big department to run. I've got a lot more things to do than run around trying to correct everything that's wrong. If I spent all my time -- bill: I understand.
>> Trying to correct everything that the media said was wrong or everything that congress said was wrong. Think of the other people in congress. They've been running around saying the iraqi security forces don't have any courage and they won't do this. And they're doing a good job. They provided the security for that election. And they did a terrific job on it. General casey said. I talked to him this afternoon. Bill: Why do you think the press coverage is so hostile to the iraq effort?
>> It's always been so. In the civil war, they just vilified abraham lincoln. George washington was almost fired a couple of times. Think of world war ii and franklin roosevelt. He was vilifying franklin roosevelt. Bill: Is there a why behind the press' skepticisim behind armed conflict?
>> I just know that there's nothing new about thiS. Harry truman was pounded over the korean war. Look at lyndon johnson on the vietnam war. I mean, this is what happens in a war. It's tough business and people die and it's a shame. And our heart goes out to those wonderful people. But by golly, if every time people started criticizing what's going on and you stop doing what you were doing and didn't complete the task that's got to be completed over there, our country would be a totally different place and our way of life would be totally different. Bill: Is howard dean using the conflict for political reasons?
>> Oh, you know, i can't climb in someone else's heaD. He's chairman of the democratic party. I suppose when he gets up in the morning, what he decides to do -- bill: He says you can't win the war.
>> That's utter nonsense. We can't lose the war over there. The only place you can lose it would be washington, D.C. We're not going to lose battles over in iraq. Our soldiers and sailors and airmen and marines are doing a superb job and they know it. And they're proud of what they're doing. Bill: Why doesn't howard dean know it?
>> Oh, goodness. I have enough trouble doing my job without telling you how he ought to do his job. Bill: You'd like to tell him a few things, wouldn't you?
>> Not from this position. The president asked me not to get involved in politics, so I don'T. Bill: We'll wrap up our conversation with the defense secretary in a moment. And then the christmas controversy and your humble correspondent are addressed in congress.
Bill: We are pleased to have donald rumsfeld with us here in washington with us this evening. This time next year the iraqis, I assume, will be able to fight their own battle. There will be almost four years of training. They ought to be able to fight their own battle this time next year, yes, no?
>> They are getting better every day, every week, every month. They are taking more and more responsibility every month. And that's a good thing. The important things are not the numbers or the weapons. It's the rib cage of an organization. And think how long it takes us in our country to develop noncommissioned officers who can provide that kind of leadership and the middle level lieutenant colonels who provide the ribcage for our institution. Then they've got to connect the army to the police, they've got to connect the army and police both to the intelligence and they have -- so these are things they have to do that you don't just do by the numbers mechanically. And if you think about it, those people in that country, in a repressive regime were trained to be fearful and not take initiative and not to call audibles, but do exactly what they were told or die. That's why there's hundreds of thousands of dollars -- bill: Several years, though.
>> Hundreds of thousands of bodies in those mass graves. Bill: We understand the psychological damage done to the whole society over there. This time next year --
>> They'll be so much better able to take care of their own affairs. Bill: So we can draw down over there?
>> Oh, we're going to draw down from 160,000 to 137,000 after the elections, as we see that things are settleD. And then it's conditioned clearly general casey and general abizaid will come to me and the president and say we can pass off more responsibility and shift our emphasis more to training and equiping and less to presence because we'll have -- we've got 214,000 now security forces, it will be higher then. Bill: So you're optimistic this time next year the complexion much the fight should be changed.
>> Well, I've been wrong before, but I'm hopeful. Bill: Coerced interrogation. Today it looks like they have a deal. U.S. Military, C.I.A., No one can use torture, what they call -- i call it coercive interrogation. Is that going to hurt your effort?
>> Not the military at all. We've had rules that require humane treatment from the beginning. Bill: But they've been broken.
>> Any rule can get broken in, which case you need court marshals and punish somebody. Bill: How about water boarding?
>> The arrangement that's been made does not have implications, because we have had requirements for humane treatment from the beginning, and any time there's been something other than humane treatment, there's been prosecution and punishment. Bill: For the defense department and you particularly as the boss to make an intelligent decision about what to do with our forces, you need information. The C.I.A. Says we need to get information and sometimes we need to use water boarding and coerced interrogation. Congress is saying you cannot do that any longer. That's got to impact on your intelligence. It's got to.
>> I'm going to talk about D.O.D. And not the agencY. Bill: But you get intel from them.
>> We get intel from all kinds of sources. Bill: All right. Is the interrogation ban going to make it harder to wage the war on terror?
>> Time will tell. But -- well, if I knew the answer -- bill: In your opinion.
>> If I knew the answers to those questions, I'd give them to you. But I don't know. From our department of defense standpoint the president issued requirements for humane treatment. I issued requirements for humane treatment. Everything that was done by way of policy had to adhere to humane treatment. And anything that was not humane that was done by department of defense employees was -- bill: Adjudicated?
>> -- Adjudicated and punished. Bill: So you and dick cheney aren't the torture guys that you "the new york times" says you are.
>> Oh, my goodness gracious. Bill: Make you mad when they say that?
>> How would you like it? Bill: They say it about me all the time. I don't like it. We promised we'd give you a minute at the end of this broadcast, because we are pleased that you came in here and spoke with us and have been straightforward all through the conversation. To say whatever you want. Go ahead.
>> I would like to say this. If you think about it, there's a lot of politics in this town and a lot of kind of things you've been talking about, allegations about this and allegations about that. But there are also some really wonderful things going on in this world of ours and in our country. You have the efforts that the department of defense engaged in with respect to the tsunami relief this year, the efforts of katrina and rita, the work that they're still doing over in pakistan in the earthquake with hundreds of thousands of people are homeless and dieD. You have the billions of dollars that the american people give to charities for people in our country and people all across the globe. And I would say also, you've got roughly two million people who have volunteered to serve in the united states military and send -- they're not drafted, they're not coerced, they're not forced. They said send me. Bill: That's right.
>> And they're in danger -- bill: I'm with you all the waY.
>> And we're in their debt. This is a great country. Brit: I agree with you. Merry christmas.
>> Thank you, merry christmas. Bill: Thanks for (coming)...
If THIS kind of interview was on Russert we would have a very different general understanding of the Iraq situation in this country.
darn it I missed it...thanks for the screen caps...I'll try and watch the re-play
Thanks for the transcript
Thanks so much for that transcipt! Amazing accomplishment!
It (reading the transcript) also shows me just how much I missed while even watching it...thanks.
It's not complete tho, I missed the first segment...
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How'd you type that so fast????
Great job.
ATI All in WOnder TV Card has closed caption capture...saves it as an HTML file...NOT my typing..LOL: It would look like this....>>>
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O'Blowhard is a moron! My beloved parents are wrongfully smitten by him.
THE WMD WERE SENT TO SYRIA 6 weeks b4 the invasion. This is by Moshe Yaalon of the IDF. I will take his word over o'blowhard and NYT
Rummy was not 'wrong' about the WMD and not really about the insurgents.
GRRREAT! How'd you do that so fast?
Really would like to know.
go rummy
:-)
Cool. I had an All in Wonder way back when. Didn't know the newer ones could do that.
Thought maybe you were a court reporter or something......
Course the question now, is who at FOX can type that fast.
Juan Williams, on the other hand is basically clueless! I think Fox puts him on so many of us and others can laugh our arses off at him!
BRAVO !!! BRAVO !!! Go Rummy !
>>>Course the question now, is who at FOX can type that fast.<<<
Nobody.
I believe they use the services of the National Captioning Institute http://www.ncicap.org/
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