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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You might want to read back through the thread and see who keeps introducing the words "necessity," "proof," "know," etc. as if these are necessary for a theory to be a theory. The scientific definition of theory does not require absolute facts for every conceivable possibility. It only requires a good amount of evidence. I consider the massive presence of organized matter that behaves according to predictable laws as good evidence for intelligent design, and from it I can infer some things about the intelligent designer. Hint: the presence of pasta is, in my theory, interpreted as an object, not a subject, of intelligent design.

You have already said that EVERY CONCEIVABLE OBSERVATION is in line with your claim.

No. I've given at least one conceivable observation that would weaken my claim, namely the presence of disorganized matter that does not behave according to any predictable law. Another possibility would be for all matter to disintegrate into nothing. Both of these would weaken the theory considerably, but of course they would not disprove it. No theory can be disproven, and no theory can be proven.

974 posted on 12/14/2005 11:43:58 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"You might want to read back through the thread and see who keeps introducing the words "necessity," "proof," "know," etc. as if these are necessary for a theory to be a theory."

I didn't say proof or necessity. Knowledge IS needed though.

"I consider the massive presence of organized matter that behaves according to predictable laws as good evidence for intelligent design, and from it I can infer some things about the intelligent designer."

And those assumptions you make are not logical nor scientific.

" Hint: the presence of pasta is, in my theory, interpreted as an object, not a subject, of intelligent design."

In mine it's the subject. There is no way to scientifically choose between the two.

'You have already said that EVERY CONCEIVABLE OBSERVATION is in line with your claim.'


"No. I've given at least one conceivable observation that would weaken my claim, namely the presence of disorganized matter that does not behave according to any predictable law."

Yes, you are contradicting what you said earlier when you said that EVERY CONCEIVABLE OBSERVATION is in line with your claim. I never said you were logically consistent. I was just pointing out your changing story.

"Another possibility would be for all matter to disintegrate into nothing. Both of these would weaken the theory considerably, but of course they would not disprove it. No theory can be disproven, and no theory can be proven."

Both situations would in no way weaken your claim, because an Omnipotent, omniscient being can do anything, including make matter that follows no regular laws, or make matter disintegrate. Are you going to put limits on what God can do?
975 posted on 12/14/2005 11:53:47 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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