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To: Fester Chugabrew
All good science takes place within the parameters of intelligent design

Maybe, but intelligent design doesn't take place within the parameters of good science. You can't put a box within its container.

Now, if it should produce an example of disorganized matter that does not behave according to predictable laws, then it may be on the way to disrupting, or weakening, the theory of intelligent design.

The problem is that in debate the one advocating a position (here, you) takes on the burden of proof. We do not have to disprove ID by meeting your requirements, we just have to let it die itself due to a lack of compelling evidence. If this were a structured debate, you'd have been thrown out long ago.

Meanwhile, I have yet to see evos put forth any individual who seriously adheres to a flying spaghetti monster as responsible for the organization of matter and the ongoing funcion of the so-called laws of nature.

Who believes it doesn't matter. What matters is that Flying Spaghetti Monsterism is word-for-word identical to the stated tenets of ID. They are the same argument and rely on the same evidence (or lack thereof). Therefore, if you wish to scientifically discredit Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, you must logically discredit ID.

My objections to Flying Spaghetti Monsterism are purely religious, as the IPU (PBUHH) hates garlic.

968 posted on 12/14/2005 11:23:58 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
. . . intelligent design doesn't take place within the parameters of good science.

Oh really? How so? Have you ever known a hypothesis to be created apart from intelligent design? Or a theory? Or an explanation of so-called natural phenomenon?

The problem is that in debate the one advocating a position (here, you) takes on the burden of proof.

Theories do not require proof. Neither does science. Theories require evidence to be sure. In this case it is massive amounts of organized matter that behaves according to predictable laws. An intelligent designer can easily, and reasonably, be inferred and set forth as explanatory of the same.

What matters is that Flying Spaghetti Monsterism is word-for-word identical to the stated tenets of ID.,/I>

No it is not. Surely you know what "word for word" means. Flying spaghetti monsters have no basis in reality that I am aware of. Intelligent designers do.

972 posted on 12/14/2005 11:33:33 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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