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To: CarolinaGuitarman
BTW, how do we have any clue what the designer *intends*?

That would require a revelation of some kind if it entails matters of attitude, future plans, wishes, or other attributes one might ascribe anthropomorphically. Othwerwise the only clue we have is that organized matter continues to behave according to predictable laws exactly as planned.

What's to stop the designer from breaking any of these predictable laws?

In view of the ubiquity of the designer's work I cannot think of anything, and I do not have to in order for the theory to work. I mean, causing a virgin birth, or changing water into wine, or walking on water - these are not "breaking predictable laws." They, too, are fully in accord with intelligent design, just as it is necessary with an automobile for the designer to jump in and tweak things occasionally.

791 posted on 12/13/2005 6:06:16 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"That would require a revelation of some kind if it entails matters of attitude, future plans, wishes, or other attributes one might ascribe anthropomorphically. Othwerwise the only clue we have is that organized matter continues to behave according to predictable laws exactly as planned."

So in other words, when observing and examining the natural world, all we need to do is figure out the predictable laws that govern matter. That's methodological naturalism, which is the only method that science use. And ID falls outside it's domain. The only way we can have any clue as to the designer's nature is through direct revelation. This too is outside of science.


"What's to stop the designer from breaking any of these predictable laws?

In view of the ubiquity of the designer's work I cannot think of anything, and I do not have to in order for the theory to work. I mean, causing a virgin birth, or changing water into wine, or walking on water - these are not "breaking predictable laws."

They most certainly would be examples of breaking predictable laws. It's predictable law that Virgin births don;t happen. It's a predictable law that people don't walk on water, or change water to wine. You are trying to yet again redifine a word to suit your wishes and feelings, in this case *predictable*.

The only thing predictable about your posts are that they will continue to get zanier and zanier.
796 posted on 12/13/2005 6:16:41 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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