[jude24]

The problem is not with the folks who have a few drinks - it's with those who routinely get blitzed and drive.

That's true enough - and nothing short of lengthy prison sentences will stop them from drinking and driving.

[Freedom_no_exceptions]

You have no liberty interest to drive drunk.

This may be true, but neither does anyone have the "liberty interest" to run you off the road, kidnap you, toss you into a cage, and hand you a huge bill just for BEING drunk at the wheel - providing, of course, there is no actual damage.

There is no reasonable expectation of privacy, especially when it is a term of your drivers license that you will submit to a breath screening test when asked. A driver's license is a privilege, not a right.

Driving is a right. The fact that "the state" declares driving to be a privilege - and forces us to consent to all kinds of unconstitutional harassment - does not make it so.

nothing short of lengthy prison sentences will stop them from drinking and driving.

Again, if there was no victim, then putting a driver in prison simply for being drunk is kidnapping.

[Freedom_no_exceptions]

You have no liberty interest to drive drunk.

This may be true, but neither does anyone have the "liberty interest" to run you off the road, kidnap you, toss you into a cage, and hand you a huge bill just for BEING drunk at the wheel - providing, of course, there is no actual damage.

There is no reasonable expectation of privacy, especially when it is a term of your drivers license that you will submit to a breath screening test when asked. A driver's license is a privilege, not a right.

Driving is a right. The fact that "the state" declares driving to be a privilege - and forces us to consent to all kinds of unconstitutional harassment - does not make it so.

nothing short of lengthy prison sentences will stop them from drinking and driving.

Again, if there was no victim, then putting a driver in prison simply for being drunk is kidnapping.

[Melas]

That's the problem with MADD. If MADD had pursued policies where truly drunk drivers were given harsher penalties, then there would be no problem. However, MADD's policies have been gone the opposite direction.

Instead of getting truly draconian on the driver who's truly presenting a danger by driving at 0.16, MADD's solution was to lower the limit to a near impossible .08. Once you look at that in perspective along side MADD's involvement in raising the drinking age nationwide, a true picture emerges. MADD isn't against drunk driving or even drunkenness. MADD is against alcohol, period.