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MADD display spurs quiz of jurors in DUI cases
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 12/7/05 | Kim Smith

Posted on 12/11/2005 2:30:55 PM PST by elkfersupper

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To: elkfersupper
Maybe you should ask the mods to take that away.

Why'd you ask me to do it when obviously you already did.

61 posted on 12/11/2005 3:22:34 PM PST by Hildy (Keyboard warrior princess - typing away for truth, justice and the American way!)
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To: elkfersupper

I don't care what a biased webblog says about the presumption of innocence. I watched a judge instruct a jury regarding the presumption of innocence in a DWI case. It exists.


62 posted on 12/11/2005 3:23:03 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: jude24
Only those who have something to hide have anything to fear from them.

Those are the words of freedom-hating statists and tyrants..

63 posted on 12/11/2005 3:23:15 PM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: elkfersupper

They have a display in Andrews Texas courthouse parking lot too.


64 posted on 12/11/2005 3:23:33 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: jude24
You have no liberty interest to drive drunk.

And I never suggested that. What is drunk is up to interpretation. If your friends at MADD had their way Listerine mouthwash would land drivers in jail.

The right to travel freely in society unmolested by authorities for no reason is guaranteed by the Constitution. Checkpoints, like abortion and slavery and other legal abominations "upheld by courts" will some day be banished to history -- hopefully someday soon.

65 posted on 12/11/2005 3:23:53 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: jude24
You have no liberty interest to drive drunk.

This may be true, but neither does anyone have the "liberty interest" to run you off the road, kidnap you, toss you into a cage, and hand you a huge bill just for BEING drunk at the wheel - providing, of course, there is no actual damage.

There is no reasonable expectation of privacy, especially when it is a term of your drivers license that you will submit to a breath screening test when asked. A driver's license is a privilege, not a right.

Driving is a right. The fact that "the state" declares driving to be a privilege - and forces us to consent to all kinds of unconstitutional harassment - does not make it so.

nothing short of lengthy prison sentences will stop them from drinking and driving.

Again, if there was no victim, then putting a driver in prison simply for being drunk is kidnapping.

66 posted on 12/11/2005 3:23:58 PM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: jude24
You have no liberty interest to drive drunk.

This may be true, but neither does anyone have the "liberty interest" to run you off the road, kidnap you, toss you into a cage, and hand you a huge bill just for BEING drunk at the wheel - providing, of course, there is no actual damage.

There is no reasonable expectation of privacy, especially when it is a term of your drivers license that you will submit to a breath screening test when asked. A driver's license is a privilege, not a right.

Driving is a right. The fact that "the state" declares driving to be a privilege - and forces us to consent to all kinds of unconstitutional harassment - does not make it so.

nothing short of lengthy prison sentences will stop them from drinking and driving.

Again, if there was no victim, then putting a driver in prison simply for being drunk is kidnapping.

67 posted on 12/11/2005 3:24:34 PM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: SteveMcKing

Excellent post.


68 posted on 12/11/2005 3:25:03 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Hildy
Every post you write proves how insane you are.

If I'm insane, then welcome to the asylum. My views are not unique here.

69 posted on 12/11/2005 3:25:19 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: ElkGroveDan

So...you don't want the government in your car, but you do want the government in your body. Interesting.


70 posted on 12/11/2005 3:26:12 PM PST by Hildy (Keyboard warrior princess - typing away for truth, justice and the American way!)
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To: elkfersupper

Looks like an attempt at jury tampering to me.


71 posted on 12/11/2005 3:27:08 PM PST by TASMANIANRED ("You cannot kill hope with bombs and bullets." Sgt Clay.)
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To: jude24
I don't care what a biased webblog says about the presumption of innocence.

The "biased weblog" tells you what the law says.

72 posted on 12/11/2005 3:27:40 PM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: Hildy
So...you don't want the government in your car, but you do want the government in your body. Interesting.

umm no...I don't want government in my body either - kook.

73 posted on 12/11/2005 3:27:42 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: ElkGroveDan

of course, not YOUR body...but women's bodies.


74 posted on 12/11/2005 3:27:57 PM PST by Hildy (Keyboard warrior princess - typing away for truth, justice and the American way!)
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To: jude24
I watched a judge instruct a jury regarding the presumption of innocence in a DWI case. It exists.

You're wrong.

I watched a judge jail a defense attorney for suggesting that the judge should be sworn in if he was going to testify in the form of giving a jury instructions, if he would not tell the jury that they also had the duty and obligation to decide the law, in addition to the facts.

I don't serve on juries anymore because of that.

75 posted on 12/11/2005 3:28:36 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
"Theresa Babitch, a victim advocate with MADD, said Presidio Park was chosen because of its heavy foot traffic, not because jurors were around. Um-kay.

I think they mis-spelled her name so I made a modest correction.

76 posted on 12/11/2005 3:28:55 PM PST by albee ("Those that bite the hand that feeds them will lick the boot that kicks them!" - Eric Hoffer)
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To: elkfersupper
Drunk is defined either subjectively, by glassy eyes, slurred speech, loss of motor control, etc., or objectively by a .08 blood alcohol content, determined chemically or via a Breathylzer.

The fact you don't like the definition does not change it at all.

77 posted on 12/11/2005 3:29:07 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: Hildy; Prime Choice; calcowgirl; Czar; EternalVigilance; NormsRevenge; Amerigomag

Hey gang, over here. We're talking about government checkponts.


78 posted on 12/11/2005 3:29:14 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: elkfersupper
if he would not tell the jury that they also had the duty and obligation to decide the law, in addition to the facts.

Juries most certainly do not have the duty to decide the law. They must decide the facts based upon the law as given to them by the judge. Your defense lawyer's argument was completely specious.

79 posted on 12/11/2005 3:31:05 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I forgot to add hypocrite at the end of my last post to you.


80 posted on 12/11/2005 3:31:54 PM PST by Hildy (Keyboard warrior princess - typing away for truth, justice and the American way!)
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