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To: adorno; PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer
Apparently do not interact with other matter, including dark matter? Yet, dark matter shapes most of the universe?

Of course they "interact with other matter" -- that's the point of the article: the gravitational interaction of dark matter with other matter (including dark matter) in the universe. The simulation of that predicted gravitational interaction produces a distribution of matter that matches what we see.

13 posted on 12/10/2005 1:16:00 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Of course they "interact with other matter" -- that's the point of the article: the gravitational interaction of dark matter with other matter (including dark matter) in the universe. The simulation of that predicted gravitational interaction produces a distribution of matter that matches what we see.

Ok, so dark matter has gravitational properties. Yet, whatever the dark matter particles look like, they are invisible and collisionless. It is the collisionless part that would seem to indicate that dark matter is mass-less. If dark matter is mass-less and collisionless, how can it also contain the property of gravity?
14 posted on 12/10/2005 1:47:50 PM PST by adorno
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To: longshadow; adorno; VadeRetro; libsrscum
Non-interacting particles aren't required to be massless. They are required to be chargeless. A gas of (massive) Z bosons will be largely non-interacting, because they don't exchange photons, gluons, Z's, or W's, but they will exchange Higgs bosons. A gas of (neutral, massive) Higgs bosons will likely also interact with difficulty, because they only will exchange Z's. (The strength of both interactions will depend on the Z-Higgs coupling, which IIRC is a free parameter of the Standard Model).

Unfortunately, Z's and Higgs bosons are extremely unstable, so collecting a gas of same is a tall order.

Neutrinos are stable and are practically non-interacting, but they are also practically massless.

In practice, all the other particles we have measured carry some other kind of charge, be it electromagnetic, weak or strong, but nothing in principle prevents there from being another type (or even class) of particles that don't interact except gravitationally. The universe could be brimming with them, but there's no way to detect them in the laboratory, just because of the fact that they carry no Standard Model charges. The only way to detect them would be through gravitational means.

[Geek alert: If there are extra dimensions, the possibility exists that a high-energy electron-positron collider could produce massive Kaluza-Klein "tower" graviton states. These in turn would couple to the gravitation-only dark matter states. You wouldn't see those dark-matter-producing collisions directly, as the final-state dark matter particles would escape, undetected as usual, but you could see a faint impression of them through Bremsstrahlung radiation from the initial-state electron and positron. This would manifest itself as events with a single, hard gamma ray, the distribution of which would be peaked in the forward direction (along the beam axis).]

20 posted on 12/10/2005 3:19:16 PM PST by Physicist
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