Posted on 12/08/2005 7:56:07 PM PST by smoothsailing
I love the 'white flag' commerical. I have sent the link to all the dems I know. I can just see all the flames in my email tomorrow.
It's a great commercial!
I've got a thread going on it now, I'll ping you to it!
:)
If the support of Saddam was done officially, then voting was done and plans and decisions were known.
We are talking the difference here being a few politicians acting on their own and sneaking monies without approval. And I contented that the monies were taken to support a known enemy of the States since militant Islam had already attack US interests up to this point (students taking embassey, M.E. Bureau for our CIA, 241 US Marines were killed by a homicide boomer in Beirut, etc.)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489385/posts
My Enemy's Enemy by George Crile
He's got that wizard cap on at all times, calling upon the "elements"..
Yes. Si. Oui. Da. Hai. Yavole.
YES!
The Mujahadeen had been our friends and they were figthing the soviet puppet Najibullah. The money had to be hidden because mostly - The Bush I Admnistration had said to turn off the spigot. (Congress' ignoring this sounds like a reverse Iran-Contra!! Amazing this wasn't used to bash the Democrats, but typical Bush I collaboration. Also, did Bush I really not know about this, with him being X-CiA?) Another reason, to a lesser extent, is I remember us being worried the Soviets were going to take Sadddam's side during the Gulf War, and that 92 defense bill where the money would have shown up as us fighting the soviet puppets in Afgahanistan, would have probably been funded, publicly, in early 91 when the war with Saddam was still going on. Murtha was reluctant in 91 but Wilson was such a hero that he couldn't turn him down. This was right at the time Murtha and the rest of the crowd and the CIA was waking up to what they were doing. I can't call him a traitor - just stupid, and fat with "inertia".
Considering the statements made by Kerry, Dean, Boxer, Pelosi, Kennedy, Durbin, Murtha - it's getting pretty darn close!
Mujahadeen is an islamic militant. It was islamic militants that murdered our CIA M.E. Bureau Chief, 241 US Marines and took our US Embassey in Iran before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
In other words, they waged war on US interests and this made them our friends???
Can you show me something that says 'The Bush I Admnistration had said to turn off the spigot'?
When did the Mujahadeen wage war on US interests?
Sure they were islamic militants.
The Chinese are also communists, and the North Koreans are communists, and the North Vietnamese were communists who killed many Americans, just as Hamas, Al Qaeda, and the Mujahadeen are islamic militants, but we don't treat them all the same way. Some of them can offer us things that are useful against the worse of them. China can put pressure on N.Korea. In the 80s, The Afgahni Mujahadeen tribe of the islamic militant death-worshhipping cult, was the enemy of our enemy - just like Stalin was the enemy of our enemy during WWII. In these games, timing is everything. This Mujahadeen "insurgent" aid thing was just another deal with a particular devil that that the Murtha/Wilson clan stupidly and disgracefully, and fatally, as we & Wilson have seen, but not traitorously, IMO prolonged. Churchill cut the ties with Stalin post-war with his iron curtain speech, like the Bush I administration tried to turn off the spigot to the Mujahadeen, after the Soviets pulled out of Afg. - according to your article in this paragraph:
"Wilson was surprised that spring to hear that the administration was not putting in a request for more money. There had been meetings in Wilson's office and talks with Judge William Webster, the new director of Central Intelligence, about the coming year's budget, but the Agency was no longer of a single mind. The Bush administration, however, wanted out of this game -- so the CIA's seventh floor had no choice but to reflect the opinion of their masters in the White House. "
Bush should have delivered an "iron curtain" speech about islamic radicalism in general right after the Soviet defeat in Afg. Did he really not know that the congress was end-running around him on the Mujahadeen?
If he had not been so eager to lose the 92 election he could have used his second term to ally US with Russia and the Stans, to keep a heavy heel on the mohamMadmen.
>>>>When did the Mujahadeen wage war on US interests?
- 1979 Mujahadeen took the U.S. Embassy in Tehran with 62 US Hostages
- 1983 Mujahadeen bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut
- 1983 Mujahadeen killed the M.E. CIA Chief
- 1983 Mujahadeen drove a truck of explosives into a US Marine barrack killing 241 of our soldiers
- 1983 Mujahadeen attacked the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait
- 1983 Mujahadeen attacked Raytheon employees, an American company
- 1984 Mujahadeen kidnapped our CIA Chief, Bill Buckley
- 1984 thru 1985, airlines and cruiselines were hijacked with American passengers singled out for execution
That shows me that the Mujahadeen were enemies of the States.
I'm still waiting for you show me something that says 'The Bush I Admnistration had said to turn off the spigot'?
But you saying 'Did he really not know that the congress was end-running around him on the Mujahadeen?' tells me he never said that statement or anything remotely resembling it.
Can you tell me why Murtha got caught in AbScam as well as being involved with arming militant Islamists?
I submit Bush did know that the congress was end-running around him on the Mujahadeen. That is what created the need for AbScam.
By the way, you seem kind of attuned to insider perfidy. I'm usually surfing the Joe Wilson links.
Do you have any idea why the CIA sent Joe Wilson to Niger? Does the CIA hate W? Was Tenet a traitor or just wrong about the slam dunk?
Why do you keep changing the subject?
"I'm still waiting for you show me something that says 'The Bush I Admnistration had said to turn off the spigot'?"
See my second to last post - "Wilson was surprised that spring to hear that the [BUSH I] administration was not putting in a request for more money. [was turning off the spigot] There had been meetings in Wilson's office and talks with Judge William Webster, the new director of Central Intelligence, about the coming year's budget, but the Agency was no longer of a single mind. The Bush administration, however, wanted out of this game [Wanted to Turn Off the Spigot] -- so the CIA's seventh floor had no choice but to reflect the opinion of their masters in the White House. "
Are all those "Mujahadeen" that you listed Afgani Mujahadeen that were fighting the Soviets?
If so you are right about Murtha being a tratior. But then so was the Reagan administration since it helped them fight the Soviets too. I can't buy that. The Afgani Mujahadeen that Murtha aided did not capture the US hostages Iran.
How bad was Murtha involved in Abscam? I didn't see him listed as "convicted" on your link, unlike the others.
This Abscam thing really does stink though. Probably Murtha was dirty on it and should have been run out of the House. But that still doesn't make him a traitor.
I saw murtha tonight on Fox being grilled by Kasich.
Kasich laid it right on him - why do you want to help Zarkawi? He just keeps saying the Iraqis are ready to take care of themselves, when it's obvious they're not. He wants our troops off to Kuwait and Okinawa.
What is his motivation?
Keep?
See my second to last post - "Wilson was surprised that spring to hear that the [BUSH I] administration was not putting in a request for more money. [was turning off the spigot] There had been meetings in Wilson's office and talks with Judge William Webster, the new director of Central Intelligence, about the coming year's budget, but the Agency was no longer of a single mind. The Bush administration, however, wanted out of this game [Wanted to Turn Off the Spigot] -- so the CIA's seventh floor had no choice but to reflect the opinion of their masters in the White House."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489385/posts
My Enemy's Enemy by George Crile
Yes. I ignored it the first time because you took that quote after the Soviet/Afghanistan conflict was over. Money was already stolen. You are pulling text and twisting to create an impression that is not there.
>>>Are all those "Mujahadeen" that you listed Afgani Mujahadeen that were fighting the Soviets?
Mujahadeen are not country based. They are cultural cause based. Militant Islam answers to an Arab Nation. Not a country.
>>How bad was Murtha involved in Abscam? I didn't see him listed as "convicted" on your link, unlike the others.
From:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489385/posts?page=2#2
O'Neill put Wilson on the Ethics Committee to save Murtha, which he did. In return, O'Neill assigned Wilson to the defense appropriations subcommittee and made him a life member of the governing board of the John F. Kennedy Performing Arts Center, where he delighted in taking his young dates.
>>>But that still doesn't make him a traitor.
I believe this was our original discussion. Traitor is aiding enemies of the State. I was trying to show he did with assisting in arming Militant Islam.
"Mujahadeen are not country based."
Are all communists equal too? We must have the same relationship with the Chinese that we do with the Cubans?
The Afgani Mujahadeen were helping us throughout the 80s discomfort the Russians. What's the difference then in your mind between Reagan and Murtha?
I don't see how I'm pulling text and twisting it to create an impression that's not there. Maybe you better restate what you mean by:
"I'm still waiting for you show me something that says 'The Bush I Admnistration had said to turn off the spigot'?"
You know what you said. I asked you to show me what you based this on:
'The Bush I Admnistration had said to turn off the spigot'
The text you pulled was after Wilson stole money.
But you know that.
Do you have anything else to support that text?
You are also confusing Afghan citizens with islamic mujahadeen warlords.
But I think you know that too since you keep trying to change the subject.
You and I are not on the same wavelength.
I thought the subject was Murtha. You know it is.
What's the difference in your mind between Reagan who supported the Afgani Mujahadeen against the Soviets (assuming he knew what the CIA was doing), and Murtha who supported the Afgani Mujahadeen against the Soviet puppets?
I agree Kerry and the group you mention should all be in a brig under Marine guard. No argument for me on that
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