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The Age of Autism: "A Pretty Big Secret" (No Autism in large pool of unvaccinated children)
The Washington Times/UPI ^ | December 7, 2005 | Dan Olmstead

Posted on 12/08/2005 6:15:13 PM PST by agsloss

It's a far piece from the horse-and-buggies of Lancaster County, Pa., to the cars and freeways of Cook County, Ill. But thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don't have autism. "We have a fairly large practice. We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines," said Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst's medical director who founded the practice in 1973. Homefirst doctors have delivered more than 15,000 babies at home, and thousands of them have never been vaccinated....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: amish; autism; health; medicine; vaccines
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To: digger48

the Amish have a genetic problem that causes mild retardation and a malformation of the heart. For that reason they often send their children to other Amish settlements in Ohio etc to find husbands and wives.

But these children are retarded, and often cared for in the Amish community...

As for Autism, it is not the same, although it overlaps with retardation...many children diagnosed as retarded or as "childhood schizophrenia" in the 1950's would now be called autistic...but back then, they were placed in "homes" for care...

I had one autistic/moderately retarded Amish child in my care...and two others profoundly retarded but not really "autistic" from Mennonite or Amish homes...

Alas, retardation is not PC, so now children with brain damage and severe behavior problems who would be called retarded or as having "childhood schizophrenia" in the past are now called "autistic"...


The trouble with anecdotes is that these people often don't see parents who cared for such children at home in the past...


41 posted on 12/08/2005 7:22:09 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Shermy

You got that right. The autism-by-vaccination folk is a cult.


42 posted on 12/08/2005 7:22:13 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: LadyDoc
Stop making sense. Just admit that you're raking in billions from your vaccination appointments.

</sarcasm tag shouldn't be necessary here, but it is>
43 posted on 12/08/2005 7:24:14 PM PST by Seamoth
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To: Born Conservative

There's no clue in the article to a peer-reviewed paper on a well-controlled study. So how on earth are we supposed to evaluate the claims being made?


44 posted on 12/08/2005 7:24:17 PM PST by The Phantom FReeper (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: Fielding

your history is wrong. Scientific doctors started with Hippocrates.

Barbers were surgeons. We don't see much difference in the USA, but in England, up to a few years ago, a surgeon was always called "Mister", not doctor, because they were historically not "gentlemen"...


45 posted on 12/08/2005 7:25:48 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: digger48
I have known some Amish. Perhaps it wasn't autism, but I've seen several "special needs" Amish children.

That is because they live in such close knit communities, they intermarry.

46 posted on 12/08/2005 7:27:23 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: Freedom4US

If you are a manly and dominant man, and your wife is a woman with a strong personality, you have a much higher probability of having an autistic child.

This seems to imply it is genetic, and that some of the genes are partially expressed in the recessive/hybrid state. But then, when they are autosomonal recessive, autism presents.

Smart people with autism exist, but they have to formally do the touchy feely things that the rest of us do inherently.


47 posted on 12/08/2005 7:31:15 PM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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To: Seamoth

The Amish, yes, I agree. But 30,000 children in Chicago who are not Amish? That's why this writer was so interested in paying a visit.


48 posted on 12/08/2005 7:33:38 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: agsloss
Earlier this year Florida pediatrician Dr. Jeff Bradstreet said there is virtually no autism in home-schooling families who decline to vaccinate for religious reasons -- lending credence to Eisenstein's observations.

Putting mercury in baby vaccines will turn out to be a huge mistake.

49 posted on 12/08/2005 7:33:50 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: agsloss

"But, of course, correlation does not mean causation"

Correlation does not *necessarily* mean causation, but it generally means that research should be done to determine whether there is or is not a causal relationship.


50 posted on 12/08/2005 7:39:46 PM PST by dsc
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To: Cicero

Still a lot of factors. The doctor didn't say where he was practicing, for example... if it's in a poor area, the demographics could be disporportionately affected (and the column did say 38 in 10,000 vs. 60 in 10,000 had autism in that school district, so exaggeration is probably involved), plus the families didn't spend the money & time to get a diagnosis.

Autism has always been with us IMHO--they've just lowered the bar drastically in recent years. Asperger's syndrome people are prevalent in the tech field and they've got a very distinctive personality...


51 posted on 12/08/2005 7:42:38 PM PST by Seamoth
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To: Dustbunny
That is because they live in such close knit communities, they intermarry

One particular instance was an employee of ours who, was a bit 'challenged' himself. 4 of his kids were fine and wonderful (his teenage boy was a hoot) but 2 little ones had physical and mental disabilities. Quite sad, he wasn't much of a farmer and had little land, and had never made more than 3000 a year in his life. (this was 20 years ago). He'd drive his tractor winter or summer up to 30 miles to wherever we were working.

52 posted on 12/08/2005 7:44:27 PM PST by digger48
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To: Born Conservative

"It did. The word autism was first used in the early 1900's, and the classification/diagnosis began in the 1930'-40's. I believe wide-spread vaccination began at least a decade after that."

Hmph. It would seem, then, that vaccinations could not be the sole cause. However, if mercury is the culprit, eliminating mercury from vaccines should produce a sharp drop.

I remember kids playing with mercury from thermometers with their bare hands when I was a kid.

"Also, autism most likely existed for centuries; it just wasn't labeled that."

What do they call it when people analyze old medical records to see if people had things that weren't properly diagnosed in the past? Seems like that might tell us something.


53 posted on 12/08/2005 7:45:22 PM PST by dsc
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To: luckystarmom

"This does not explain all the increases, but it does explain some."

I'd be more interested in finding the reason for the rest of the increase than in a lot of things we spend money on.

What a tragedy it would be if the misery caused by autism were due to mercury, and we just didn't bother to look.


54 posted on 12/08/2005 7:47:28 PM PST by dsc
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To: Born Conservative
How did "doctors" car for syphilis in the 1800's? Mercury??
55 posted on 12/08/2005 7:48:12 PM PST by Fielding ("Others have died for my freedom, now this is my mark" Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr")
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To: LadyDoc

"Barbers were surgeons. We don't see much difference in the USA"

Doesn't a surgeon have to have an M.D.?


56 posted on 12/08/2005 7:49:08 PM PST by dsc
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To: Born Conservative
... autism does not have an acute onset.

Wouldn't that depend on whether John Edwards was the parent's lawyer?

57 posted on 12/08/2005 7:50:53 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Seamoth

"Asperger's syndrome people are prevalent in the tech field "

Good grief! You mean there really *is* something wrong with the Dilberts of the world?


58 posted on 12/08/2005 7:52:53 PM PST by dsc
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To: LadyDoc

Modern doctors are not scientists, mostly just folks with good memories. If I were smarter I could be a scientist, if I had a better memory I could be a doctor.


59 posted on 12/08/2005 7:53:14 PM PST by Fielding ("Others have died for my freedom, now this is my mark" Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr")
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To: digger48

"but I've seen several "special needs" Amish children."

Yes, that's because the inbreeding diseases are rampant. Rampant enough even to hide autism?


60 posted on 12/08/2005 7:55:01 PM PST by Flightdeck (Longhorns+January=Rose Bowl Repeat)
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