Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Father shoots son in hunting accident
http://www.dailycollegian.com ^

Posted on 12/06/2005 5:31:58 AM PST by bikepacker67

WARE, Mass. (AP) - The father of a 10-year-old killed in a hunting accident said the boy was shot as the two descended a hill and the elder man slipped. The shotgun he was carrying went off, striking the boy in the back.

"I was sliding," Raymond F. Libby Jr., of Ware, told The Republican newspaper on Sunday, a day after his son died during a father-and-son outing.

"That's when the gun went off. It hit some branches. I didn't have my hand on the trigger ... I jumped up quick and I ran to him before he collapsed."

Libby asked his son, Raymond F. Libby III, if he was hit, and his answer "yes" would be the last word the father would hear him say.

He said he carried the boy at least 200 yards to the area where their truck was parked, where another hunter who heard the shot was emerging from the woods in the town of Hampden, south of Springfield. That man used his cell phone to call for help.

Hampden police, who received a 911 call at 9:30 a.m., said the fourth-grader was pronounced dead at Baystate Medical Center.

"He was my hunting and fishing buddy," the father said. "I mean, he always waits for me after work."

Police were investigating, but said it appeared to be an accident.

The father said the safety on his shotgun was on as he and his son, who carried a BB gun, went down the hill. The elder Libby said the boy always walked behind him, but had gotten ahead when the father slipped and fell.

Libby and his wife also have a 12-year-old daughter, Amber.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-56 last
To: Littlejon
thank you for admitting you are human.... at least you know that safety is a continuous learning process... we all only hope never to have to learn the lesson this man has with his son.

I'm afraid of taking my son hunting because of other hunters, not myself or my son.

It's hard 'trusting' others with loaded weapons when you have other options.

41 posted on 12/06/2005 7:20:43 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Ditter

My grandmother said it when my uncle died "Parents are not suppose to out live their children.".

Natural causes and/or childhood illness is one thing, an accident such as this would seem to me to be even harder to take. If I were in this guys shoes, they'd probably have to put me on suicide watch not because I would but because that would be my attitude.


42 posted on 12/06/2005 7:20:56 AM PST by kx9088
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: freeplancer
...when the duck presents itself going by at 90 mph?

You must have some nasty-ass ducks up where you hunt. 90 mph?

43 posted on 12/06/2005 8:08:57 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (This is my tagline. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Scottyboy568
Even with a chambered round, shotguns on safe with your finger off the trigger don't fire by themselves, even if you "hit some branches," while "sliding" as the dad claims.

Read up-thread. My father's shotgun got knocked off safe when he fell, likely from a branch hitting it. That same branch could have hit the trigger. I don't blame Remington (it was his trusty 1100), and I like their cross-bolt safety design, but I recognize that it's very possible this man had the safety engaged, but the firearm still discharged.

44 posted on 12/06/2005 5:54:19 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Al Gator
I was going to ask what a 10 yr old was doing out hunting...till I remembered going fox hunting and cooning with my uncles when I was 5!

Having sat thru about 6 hunter safety courses (as an assistant), I also wondered why the gun was loaded (safety? you trust a safety???). But that's as far as my speculation will go. A few years ago, a dear family we know went thru this type of situation....unless you've had it happen to you, you have NO idea how badly this family needs our prayers.
45 posted on 12/06/2005 6:06:06 PM PST by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Gone GF

He'll have the rest of his life in prison to think about it.


46 posted on 12/06/2005 6:10:13 PM PST by darkangel82 (Never underestimate the stupidity of government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: bikepacker67
" until you are set-up, you shouldn't load. And until you're ready to fire, the safety should be on. When you're ready to leave... unload."

That may be what you do, but it has nothing to do with avoiding unintended spurious and stray discharges.

47 posted on 12/06/2005 6:14:35 PM PST by spunkets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: BibChr
"It's so typically FR-at-its-near-worst* immediately to look for ways to blame the dad. "

The dad was monumentally careless. It's right to point that out. It was his primary responsibility to make sure that gun was under control at all times. He failed to do that.

"My first thought is how unsurvivably and completely devastating it would be."

You're right, that should have been his first thought. That thought should have motivated him to be careful, before he even picked up the gun.

"An almost pathological fear that some inattention, forgetfulness, distractedness, or simple butt-stupid mistake of mine would bring harm to any family member."

You evaluate before you act. You evaluate by assuming all that could happen would, then clear the area of anyone that could be harmed.

In this case the guy should have kept his kid to the side, or behind, carried the gun low, pointed forward, hands on action, paralell to the ground and kept it that way.

Attributing this to accident, in public, does no one any good. It's a real life example to be used to show that careless acts do indeed lead to monumental tragedy.

48 posted on 12/06/2005 6:29:10 PM PST by spunkets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: MineralMan
I would rather be unprepared for and miss every single deer I ever shoot at, rather than hit my daughter.

If I were to take my daughter with me (she is presently too young) my thoughs would be towards safety and correct conduct, rather than the actual taking of the game. It is that way currently, when i do go out, singly or with freinds.

That said, this situation could, and was most likely a tragic accident, whereby the dad slipped and the safety was brushed off, as well as the trigger engagement. Having a round in the chamber while going down the slope may have been the only oversight, which he will pay dearly for the rest of his natural born days.

49 posted on 12/06/2005 6:31:44 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Gondring
" I recognize that it's very possible this man had the safety engaged, but the firearm still discharged."

The gun's always loaded and ready to fire. That's the rule. consideration of that rule means you point the gun where it will cause no significant harm when it goes off by itself and you keep it that way. The dad failed at that. His kid was in front of him, right were the barrel was pointed.

50 posted on 12/06/2005 6:41:56 PM PST by spunkets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: bikepacker67

How dare any of you say he was a bad father. People make mistakes, were only human. He is going to have to live with this for the rest of his life. They were hunting deer. He had permission to be in those woods(signed & stamped documents). They spotted a deer, he loaded the gun and he took the safety off. He couldn't get a clear shot so he started down the hill with little Ray behind him. In that split second he didn't think about the safety being off. They both slipped on the icy hill. Little Ray being so lite rolled in front of big Ray. The gun hit branches on a tree. He got shot in the chest, not the back. Little Ray did not have a bb gun with him. That is a lie. Reporters twist everything. Anytime you asked little Ray what his favorite thing to do was, "fishing and hunting with daddy." It could happen to anyone. Anyone who has something mean to say why don't you keep it to yourself....................................


51 posted on 12/07/2005 11:21:38 AM PST by fellowship22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bikepacker67

How absolutely awful for this father! My heart goes out to him.


52 posted on 12/07/2005 11:23:28 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bikepacker67

Crossing fences, navigating steep terrain always called for unloading in my book.


53 posted on 12/07/2005 11:26:52 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bikepacker67

Tragic accident. Prayers to the family.


54 posted on 12/07/2005 11:27:20 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bikepacker67

----What a terrible tragedy to have happened. I am sure the father is beside himself. How sad.


55 posted on 12/07/2005 7:03:26 PM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bikepacker67

How incredibly sad- I don't know how people can even get over something like this.


56 posted on 12/07/2005 7:08:16 PM PST by lawgirl ("You can try to wipe the memories aside, but it's you that you erase..." Honestly- Billy Corgan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-56 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson