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To: Inyokern

THey need to be revealed for what they are: ANTI-CHRISTIAN BIGGOTS and HATERS;

What most of these so called anti-defemation groups fail to realize (or rather choose not to believe..) is that America was founded on Christian principles, with the majority of its Citizens being Christians for most of US History, it is only recently that America has forgotten her Christian past..

Plus becuase of this (American's Godly herritage..) We live in a Constitutional Republic form of government, where the rights of all ARE respected, even those that want to practice minority religions, lifestyles. -ANd this in a CHRISTIAN nation!- Would the Muslims do the same? (DOES EVEN ISRAEL GIVE CITIZENSHIP TO CHRISTIANS :)?)

Beside that they are just trying to devide Jews who believe many of the same things as Orthodox/Fundamental Christians and therefore have the same MORALS-leading to goals as today's "religious right"; It's not going to work. I hope these secularists fail once again in their attempt to demonize Christianity and others of good standing!


18 posted on 12/05/2005 10:00:06 PM PST by JSDude1 (If we are not governed by God, we WILL be governed by Tyrants-William Penn..founder of Pennsylvania)
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To: JSDude1

Israel DOES give citizenship to Christians, and Muslims as well. In fact there are both Christians and Muslims that have served in both the Israeli parliament and military

As for your claim that this is a "Christian" nation, the framers and the administration of John Adams seem to belie it throught he ratification of the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796:

Treaty of Tripoli


Unlike governments of the past, the American Fathers set up a government divorced from religion. The establishment of a secular government did not require a reflection to themselves about its origin; they knew this as an unspoken given. However, as the U.S. delved into international affairs, few foreign nations knew about the intentions of America. For this reason, an insight from at a little known but legal document written in the late 1700s explicitly reveals the secular nature of the United States to a foreign nation. Officially called the "Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary," most refer to it as simply the Treaty of Tripoli. In Article 11, it states:
Joel Barlow
U.S. Consul General of Algiers
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"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."


The preliminary treaty began with a signing on 4 November, 1796 (the end of George Washington's last term as president). Joel Barlow, the American diplomat served as counsel to Algiers and held responsibility for the treaty negotiations. Barlow had once served under Washington as a chaplain in the revolutionary army. He became good friends with Paine, Jefferson, and read Enlightenment literature. Later he abandoned Christian orthodoxy for rationalism and became an advocate of secular government. Barlow, along with his associate, Captain Richard O'Brien, et al, translated and modified the Arabic version of the treaty into English. From this came the added Amendment 11. Barlow forwarded the treaty to U.S. legislators for approval in 1797. Timothy Pickering, the secretary of state, endorsed it and John Adams concurred (now during his presidency), sending the document on to the Senate. The Senate approved the treaty on June 7, 1797, and officially ratified by the Senate with John Adams signature on 10 June, 1797. All during this multi-review process, the wording of Article 11 never raised the slightest concern. The treaty even became public through its publication in The Philadelphia Gazette on 17 June 1797.

So here we have a clear admission by the United States that our government did not found itself upon Christianity. Unlike the Declaration of Independence, this treaty represented U.S. law as all treaties do according to the Constitution (see Article VI, Sect. 2).


24 posted on 12/06/2005 3:13:08 AM PST by jeltz25
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To: JSDude1

If anyone has any questions as to what happens when you start to lose touch with your religious heritage (Christianity, Judaism, etc.) just ask the Europeans, especially the French. The Islamofacists are using the opportuniy provided by exactly this to overrun Europe.


35 posted on 12/06/2005 9:49:04 AM PST by unionblue83
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