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The Savage Nation vs. the Bushbots
www.homestead.com ^ | 7/21/05 | PAUL MULSHINE

Posted on 11/28/2005 5:03:33 PM PST by mastercylinder

Edited on 11/28/2005 5:07:49 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Al Franken and the other liberals are probably still wondering why they had such little luck in their efforts to start a talk-radio network to bash George Bush from the left. They didn't consider the obvious explanation. George Bush has his left flank nicely covered. It's on the right that he's weak.

That is the theory of Michael Savage. Savage is the most right-wing of the right-wing talkers on the national airwaves at the moment. He is based in San Francisco, but he can be heard in the New York area on WOR in the evenings. He is a welcome change from those Karl Rove clones Hush Bimbo and Sean Vanity.

"Hush Bimbo" and "Sean Vanity" are the names Savage has pinned on Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity of WABC. In doing so, he has sparked a war between the members of his "Savage Nation" (slogan: "Borders, language, culture") and the so-called "Bushbots," that sizable number of gullible Americans who can be convinced that whatever policy Bush adopts is a conservative policy.

"What makes Bush a conservative?" Savage asked when I got him on the phone the other day. "On the economy, Bush has got more governmental workers than anybody before him. He's ballooned the government."

As regards the so-called "war on terror," Savage points out that you can't win a war when you're afraid even to name the enemy.

"He's never mentioned Islamofascism," said Savage.

No, he hasn't. Even the French have been more willing to defend their borders, language and culture than Bush. He's a multiculturalist and a mushy one at that. Instead of reducing the reach of Islamic fundamentalism, Bush has managed in Iraq to get 1,700 Americans killed in a war that will create yet another Islamic republic. Just yesterday we learned that the new constitution in Iraq will incorporate sharia, Islamic law.

That's why we right-wing commentators believe the Iraq war has been the biggest blunder in America's military history. As for Bimbo and Vanity, if I may employ Savage's labels, they are simply too uneducated to realize that the Iraq war represents a failed liberal exercise in nation-building.

"There is no college in Rush. There is no college in Hannity," said Savage. "He's a high school dropout. It's like listening to an uneducated, unthinking man on the radio."

Savage has a Ph.D. from Berkeley in epidemiology, an extremely challenging field. That makes him a bit overqualified for the verbal pro-wrestling matches that make up talk radio. But it also makes him interesting.

The Bushbots don't think so. On their Web sites, they call Savage a bigot and a racist, two terms the employment of which generally indicate that the speaker is losing an argument. Savage is a hero on those Web sites that attack Bush's open-borders approach to immigration. "Rush Limbaugh is a direct link to his president, El Traitor, Senor Bush," wrote one blogger. "The invasion by illegals has been going on now for a long time."

"You are 100 percent correct," said another of Limbaugh and Hannity. "They are nothing but blind, rubber-stamping followers of El Presidente Bush."

All of this is a lot of fun if you don't take it seriously. I certainly don't. But I do find talk radio to be a good barometer of the nation's mood. And the nation is slowly figuring out that the Bush-neoconservative-Troskyite- internationalist view of foreign affairs has not worked out so swimmingly for the good old U.S. of A.

"Bush is melting down our borders and making us into a polyglot nation in which no one speaks the language," says Savage.

Savage hears a lot from people who say that any criticism of Bush is a mark of disloyalty to conservatism.

"I can't stand listening to people who want me to be a lapdog for Bush," he told me. "We're supposed to be watchdogs, not lapdogs."

As for the rest of the radio talkers, "They may as well work for the Republican Party. There's nothing interesting if you can predict what a man's going to say by just going to the GOP Web site."

He's certainly got that right. Listening to an endless rehash of Karl Rove's talking points, leavened by a few Teddy Kennedy-is-a-drunk jokes, is not very entertaining.

As for the Al Franken approach, how can a nation-building, internationalist multiculturalist get any traction by criticizing another nation-building, internationalist multiculturalist? John Kerry had that problem as well, you might have noticed.

When you attack the Bush-Rove spin from the right, however, you realize that the neocons' grand social experiment has been tried most visibly in Iraq and has failed most visibly there. People are starting to notice. Eventually even the Bushbots may get a clue.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bush; bushbot; duplicatepost; hehasitright; kook; savage; talkradio; weinerbots
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To: jdm

Your link is for subscribers only.


41 posted on 11/28/2005 5:24:09 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: fisherman90814

I don't even listen to the guy. I'm just tired of desperate attempts of the bots to intimidate the rest of us into obedience. I grew up in a country where the party serves the people not the other way around.


42 posted on 11/28/2005 5:24:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: jdm
Michael.... your envy is showing.

Everytime my husband and I try to listen to Savage we get soooo turned off by his envy of Rush. It's not an intellectual disagreement, its just plain old ugly envy. That's all we hear when we listen to Savage.

43 posted on 11/28/2005 5:24:58 PM PST by Grenada
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To: mastercylinder; airborne; SamuraiScot; Dont_Tread_On_Me_888; caffe; fallujah-nuker; FFIGHTER
The scorn directed at Mike Savage is nothing less than shame of Western society, programmed feelings of liberal guilt directed toward our very culture -- feelings that were instilled through public policy, social engineering, and top-down control of the media.

We are scared to be proud for fear that we might be wrong, might be hateful, might be violent or racist - despite that we are none of those things.

Borders, language, and culture - OH MY!

Borders, language, and culture - OH MY!

Borders, language, and culture - OH MY!


44 posted on 11/28/2005 5:25:14 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: airborne

Try this one:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051006-3.html


45 posted on 11/28/2005 5:25:33 PM PST by A.Hun (Liberal mantra: ""tell new lies, but keep the old.....one is silver and the other's gold")
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
Most of those who criticize Michael Savage do so ...

... because he's a mealy-mouthed whiner whose annoying voice masks an inaptitude for sustained thought. Sorry -- I gave mikey his chance and came away disgusted.

46 posted on 11/28/2005 5:26:27 PM PST by r9etb
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To: A.Hun

thank you


47 posted on 11/28/2005 5:26:50 PM PST by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: mastercylinder

Sure.


48 posted on 11/28/2005 5:28:31 PM PST by A.Hun (Liberal mantra: ""tell new lies, but keep the old.....one is silver and the other's gold")
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To: mastercylinder
Michael Savage is the Al Franken of the Right.
49 posted on 11/28/2005 5:28:58 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: SteveMcKing

No, disdain for the rants of the messenger.

When the messenger attempts to become bigger than the message, the message is lost.

Even Stalin's broken watch was right twice a day.


50 posted on 11/28/2005 5:30:00 PM PST by FFIGHTER (Character Matters!)
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To: mastercylinder

"Michael Savage tells it the way it is."

His lack of political correctness is very refreshing when everybody is tip-toeing around the issues. I'm listening to him right now, love his show.

Merry Christmas


51 posted on 11/28/2005 5:30:47 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
>Most of those who criticize Michael Savage do so because they are just so darn embarrassed on what Bush has done

I criticized "The General" after his first talk radio show and most of the ones that followed. Long before the nation knew W.

I always thought he was really a liberal. Between being a tree hugger and wanting to limit incomes, it's hard to claim you're conservative.

He does make valid points but there's too much memememe!
52 posted on 11/28/2005 5:30:49 PM PST by phatoldphart (In the computer business since 1967 and still can't type.)
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To: A.Hun

Thank you.


53 posted on 11/28/2005 5:31:04 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: FFIGHTER

Some classic Savage-isms

1. The way to win in Iraq cause it's an unmitigated disaster for the US worse than Bull Run or Kaserine Pass according to Michael Weiner, is to start bombing Iraqi villages and then send in death squads to mop up the sympathizers.

2. The way to take care of Iran is to mine their harbors and start the bombing

3. Borders, langauge and culture. What exactly is a American culture Michael? Your Doo Wop Bronx 50's blend of Yiddish entreprneurship and jingoistic xenophobia. Did you learn about America while sailing arond the world engaging in homosexual relationships with your Beat Poets and Berkeley dropouts in the 60's?

4. Corporate greed is good until it's starts affecting good John Birch society wannabees like Savage and his knuckle dragging brand of Whiney-Conservatism. Like the oil companies, food companies and anything with made in China on it.

He's a man educated beyond his ability to think and nasty cuss at that.


54 posted on 11/28/2005 5:31:15 PM PST by lwg8tr
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To: All

He has some points. Bush is not overly conservative, and yet I think Savage is also full of it on some of this. I have always enjoyed listening to Rush, and don't disagree with him very often, but I know I'm not an unthinking Bushbot so to speak. He is our president, and going along with everything he does is not good, but neither is criticizing the war etc. because that plays right into the hands of liberals which is definitely the worse of the two (Bush and liberals) Going to war in Iraq (if allowed to be finished by the troops and not politicians) was a great thing for the future. What did Savage expect us to do in Iraq anyway? Force them all to adopt Christianity? Of course their government will include Islamic law, they'll never agree to a government that doesn't. Savage ought to know that. I think sometimes Savage says these things just to be different, but he really sounds liberal criticizing the war like that. Any thoughts from anyone?


55 posted on 11/28/2005 5:33:16 PM PST by MadManDan
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To: mastercylinder

As the old saying goes, Savage is one brick short of a full load.


56 posted on 11/28/2005 5:33:41 PM PST by hgro (A)
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To: lwg8tr
A delusional Megalomaniac in the making. If not already a Grand Master.
57 posted on 11/28/2005 5:34:44 PM PST by FFIGHTER (Character Matters!)
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To: beaver fever
After reading your post, then reading President Bush's speech, it appears that he does not specifically "own the remark" as you say.

Curious.

I would note that no one has denied that the spending during this Administration has been exorbitant.

Discounting the war and natural disasters, that may be the case still.

58 posted on 11/28/2005 5:36:06 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: Bahbah

I forgot to mention that in my last post too, thanks for reminding me. I've heard Bush say it several times, and I don't even come close to listening to all his speeches.


59 posted on 11/28/2005 5:36:08 PM PST by MadManDan
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To: jveritas

Insults and personal attacks say nothing, but that you lack anything worthwhile to say.


60 posted on 11/28/2005 5:36:13 PM PST by Exton1
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