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To: DoughtyOne; rodguy911
I am curious. Bush did exactly what you are asking for on the war in pushing Social Security Reform. What did it get him? How well did your "bully pulpit" work on that one? As I keep pointing out. Doesn't do a lot of good to use the bully pulpit when the "Conservative" echo chamber spend more of their time echoing the DNC spin lines.

The fact is as you watch a certain segment of the Conservative Movement in action, all they do is complain. Starting in Dec 2003 it was spending, then the border and immigration, then gas prices, Katrina response, the War etc etc etc. In fact, I cannot remember a time when their support for Bush has been anything but extremely tepid. I suspect that no matter what Bush does the chronic whiners will still be whining. I think deep in their hearts the constant complainers REALLY don't like the messy job of leading. It is so much easier to be the Minority and just sit on the side lines and complain, complain, complain then to actually DO the messy job of leading. I think we got Battered Political Movement Syndrom going.

The "Conservatives" got so use to being slapped around by Bill Clinton they simply no longer know how to win. Look at how Newt, one of the prime architects that got us here, got treated. It wasn't the Dems who did it to Newt, it was OUR supposed side.

603 posted on 11/27/2005 2:54:46 PM PST by MNJohnnie (To be a "Peace Now Democrat" is to be Pro Mass Murder/Rape/Torture)
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To: DoughtyOne; Reagan Man; cardinal4; Seattle Conservative; Morgan in Denver; rodguy911
Amazing post anita, as I read this it looks like one of the bloggers all but confirmed that CNN(now CNX) purposely put the "X" over Cheney's speech as an exercise in "their free speech". Wow what BS. They(CNX) admit their own bias. Sure makes our work easy.Great job anita.

Bully pulpit really going to work great when you rely on THIS media as your conduit. Enjoy your more "forceful response". I suspect your joy will last about 12-18 hours then we will be right back to the "Why doesn't Bush fight back" dogma that is the new sacrament of the "Conservative" movement.

BTW, what happened to the 403-3 vote in the US House story? Even see the story mentioned this week in the Dinosaur Media after Saturday? They fought back wonderfully. What are WE talking about this week for the 900th time? Good luck winning the PR war fighting by your enemy's rules on their ground with their spin lines.

610 posted on 11/27/2005 3:04:03 PM PST by MNJohnnie (To be a "Peace Now Democrat" is to be Pro Mass Murder/Rape/Torture)
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To: MNJohnnie
I am curious. Bush did exactly what you are asking for on the war in pushing Social Security Reform.

I have continually addressed the Republican leadership in conjunction with the President.  Here you have chosen to address just the President.

What did it get him?

Well, since I have not asked the President to appear on television talk shows, this really has no bearing on our discussion.

How well did your "bully pulpit" work on that one?

My comments today were focused on urging the Republican leadership and the President to form some kind of consensus regarding how their side would perform in public discussions.  You have evaded that topic this whole thread, and continue to do so here.

As I keep pointing out. Doesn't do a lot of good to use the bully pulpit when the "Conservative" echo chamber spend more of their time echoing the DNC spin lines.

Well you say a lot of things here, but not much of it makes sense..

<> The fact is as you watch a certain segment of the Conservative Movement in action, all they do is complain<>.

Can't deal with the subject we're discussin can you?  I say that it makes sense to place capable people on talk shows to defend our core values, and you wax rhapsodic on complainers.

Starting in Dec 2003 it was spending, then the border and immigration, then gas prices, Katrina response, the War etc etc etc.

Spending is a valid issue.  Border and immigration issues are fair game.  Gas prices are not.  Katrina Response is not.  The war is not.

If you need any more help with what are valid issues and what aren't, don't hesitate to ask.


In fact, I cannot remember a time when their support for Bush has been anything but extremely tepid.

LOL, not it's the old "they didn't support Bush to begin with conard".  Even you know this isn't all about Bush.  It's about our nation being defended by folks who acted like they have a dog in this hunt.  When ill-informed Republicans participate in talk shows, they contribute to the impression that the right has not got it's act together.  Is that more detrimental to Bush, or to the nation?

I suspect that no matter what Bush does the chronic whiners will still be whining.

LOL, yes having capable people defend our views in public would be such a terrible thing.  I can't imagine anyone advocating such a thing.  < /idiocy >

I think deep in their hearts the constant complainers REALLY don't like the messy job of leading
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Tell me, is it really leading to stand by and watch people on your side submarine your polices day in and day out?  These people are not doing Bush any favors by not defending his agenda, and Bush is not leading when he doesn't orchestrate meetings with the Republican leadership to help organize a united front against the leftists.


It is so much easier to be the Minority and just sit on the side lines and complain, complain, complain then to actually DO the messy job of leading.

That really is a wierd comment.  Who's the minority?  Who is sitting on the sidelines?  Who is leading?

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I think we got Battered Political Movement Syndrom going.


Well, when you've adopted a policy that thinks any productive comment from the ranks should be trashed for not eminating from a team player regardless of the merits of the suggestion, you may be right.  Perhaps you should seek help.

The "Conservatives" got so use to being slapped around by Bill Clinton they simply no longer know how to win.

Would that be the conservatives that impeached Bill Clinton?  Would that be the conservatives who forced a balanced budget on Clinton?  Would that be the conservatives who launched a number of investigations of Clinton?  Would that be the conservatives who caught Clinton in perjury and cost him his ability to argue cases before the Supreme Court and ultimately his license to practice law?  Would that be the conservatives who forced Clinton to reveal his hand so that many in the nation understood that he had committed perjury, obstruction of justice, witness tampering and a myriad of other crimes?

Look at how Newt, one of the prime architects that got us here, got treated. It wasn't the Dems who did it to Newt, it was OUR supposed side.

And who on our side did that to Newt?  Was it the people on internet forums who dispised him?  No, it was the Bob Doles and Trent Lotts who crucified his arse.  Our people in D.C. have in many instances either sold us out, or have become so fat and complacent that they haven't a clue what's going on.  And yes, it does go back to Newt and before.

We have a majority in D.C., and we are not getting the bang for the buck.

630 posted on 11/27/2005 3:25:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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