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Nope. Both of you have had your credibility completely nuked today. You claimed Bush's job approval was down to 27%. It was in one of your very first posts. I asked you to prove it by providing a link to the poll. You had to admit you had no link to back up your claim. I then presented you with the data that showed even the correct claims of Bush's JA in the upper 30% range bogus since they were based on polls that had switched to anyone over 18 polling this summer in place of Likely Voters and had reweighted their data sample to reduce Republican polled and significantly increase the Democrat and "Independents" sample. That is information anyone who actually read the poll rather then just the head line would know.

You still refused to admit your argument was based on error. Once you admitted that it was clear everything you were basing your argument on was your own feelings. Your credibility on this thread is GONE. Sorry you are nuked. Trying to spin your way out of it by going into rabid attack mode does NOT help you. You are wrong. You are prove wrong. Every continuing post shows just how wrong you are.

Give you another bit of data that shows you are not a serious commentators. "Millions, if not tens of millions" of US Citizens watch these Sunday shows". Don't they just wish. NOPE. The Sunday shows draw NO WHERE near those sort of ratings. The entire Nightly News audience(their highest market shares) for all the broadcast networks combined is under 25,000,000. The Sunday shows do not even draw 1/3 of that.

So perhaps less angst and hand wringing in the future and more factual accuracy from you two. The Sunday thread is a serious thread for thoughtful commentary, not the usual Freeper bluster and chest pounding. If you want to be taken seriously here, you better have the facts cause you ARE going to be challenged to back up your claims.

I cant believe you typed that with a straight face. Your behavior last week cost you any credibility you had. You embarrassed this thread you are so proud of with that "Im in charge here and can have kicked off". A premise immediately refuted by the mods. Your childish and petulant behavior was absolutely shameful..

Nope. Both of you have had your credibility completely nuked today. You claimed Bush's job approval was down to 27%.

When people are asked if they approve of the job Bush is doing as president, the numbers are very dismal. The left and the right have reasons to answer in the negative and many do.

I would vote for him over a leftist democrat, but I am very unhappy with his performance as president. Leftists are angry with him over Iraq. Some people on the right are upset with him over his spending and lack of immigration policies. As I stated once before, you are quite welcome to express the opinion that 72% of the public approves of the job Bush is doing. I wish it were true.

It was in one of your very first posts. I asked you to prove it by providing a link to the poll. You had to admit you had no link to back up your claim.

Yes I admitted I didn't have a link. I also explained that this figure was presented in a live broadcast and there was no way for me to provide a link. If it makes you feel comfy to claim this as proof that I was wrong, I can live with it. I'd think it was a childish observation, but as I said, I could live with it.

I then presented you with the data that showed even the correct claims of Bush's JA in the upper 30% range bogus since they were based on polls that had switched to anyone over 18 polling this summer in place of Likely Voters and had reweighted their data sample to reduce Republican polled and significantly increase the Democrat and "Independents" sample. That is information anyone who actually read the poll rather then just the head line would know.

You still refused to admit your argument was based on error. Once you admitted that it was clear everything you were basing your argument on was your own feelings. Your credibility on this thread is GONE. Sorry you are nuked. Trying to spin your way out of it by going into rabid attack mode does NOT help you. You are wrong. You are prove wrong. Every continuing post shows just how wrong you are.

The emphasis of my posts was to promote having competent people from the right appear in televised public discussion groups. You have consistantly tried to turn this into a bickering mealt-down focusing on whose polling figures are the most accurate. As I stated to another forum participant, if that poll were falsified, it would only increase the validity of my promoting the right have competent people on these shows to shoot down inaccurate information. It would not lessen the validity of my arguement. <>Give you another bit of data that shows you are not a serious commentators.

Well I'm not a commentator. I'm another member of the public who comes to this forum to express his views.

"Millions, if not tens of millions" of US Citizens watch these Sunday shows".

Don't they just wish. NOPE. The Sunday shows draw NO WHERE near those sort of ratings.

Here's some information and a link that I provided to you several posts back. Evidently you didn't read it.

The Sunday Shows

Another franchise of network news that deserves note is the Sunday morning talk show. In recent years, "Meet the Press" on NBC, whose host is Tim Russert, has established itself as the dominant ratings leader. At the end of the 2002-2003 season, it led its nearest competitor, CBS's "Face the Nation," with its host, Bob Schieffer, by 1.8 million viewers (4.7 million versus 2.9 million). Since the 1997-1998 season, it has led consistently. ABC has changed the format of "This Week," with George Stephanopoulos as host, under producer Tom Bettag and a team from Nightline. This is worth watching. At the end of the 2002-2003 season "This Week" averaged 2.75 million viewers.

http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/narrative_networktv_audience.asp?cat=3&media=4

Perhaps you can tell me what 4.7 + 2.9 + 2.75 total up to. Just to make it easier for you, that's 10.35 million households. So to be accurate, over ten million households, and perhaps as many as 15 to 20 million individual people watch these shows.

That is certainly millions, and perhaps tens of millions.

The entire Nightly News audience(their highest market shares) for all the broadcast networks combined is under 25,000,000.

That's nice. We weren't talking about them.

The Sunday shows do not even draw 1/3 of that.

Point me to someone who said they did.

So perhaps less angst and hand wringing in the future and more factual accuracy from you two.

Well there's no angst or handwringing going on here, so if there's any hand wringing going on at all it would have to be at your house.

The Sunday thread is a serious thread for thoughtful commentary, not the usual Freeper bluster and chest pounding. If you want to be taken seriously here, you better have the facts cause you ARE going to be challenged to back up your claims.

I doubt many people consider the comments here to be well crafted commentaries. A lot of people come here to express their opinions. As for wing-nuts, a few of those show up as well.

As for who is taken serious and who isn't, that's up for folks to deicide for themselves. I offer up my thoughts and am willing to let folks think what they will.

Thanks for the comments.

I guess I will have my little say here as well.
IMHO friendly arguments among freepers can be a very positive thing. You can learn a lot from them.
I think you can probably do a better job using freepmail but then open forums but that's just me.
My thrust here has always been to unite us all in fighting a political enemy(Democracts) that wants to destroy not only our President but will take the country down if necessary for political gain.
To me time and effort is much more wisely spent defeating the rats instead of defining the finer options of arguments on strategy. Who's right and who's wrong is important but not like vermin extermination.