Christopher Patti, a UC lawyer, said that in the last four years, 32 students from Calvary Chapel have applied for UC schools, and 24 were admitted.
Thats 75%, better than any public school. Perhaps the UC is just trying to reach some quota to limit Christian students, in favor of an affirmative action plan to boost other religions represented in the school?
Nassirian said he sees the lawsuit's proponents as attempting to win an academic debate outside the academic world.
This is a lawsuit attempting to win the fair admission of the Christian children. Because students who studied other religions as part of their high school course work such as Buddhism and Judaism were allowed to enroll, while they have rejected the Christian perspective. The lawsuit is based on an unfair advantage discriminated by religion.
Seems the university is hiding behind the creationism front as a week point to attack Christians whom dont have a united stand on evolution. For example if they bluntly said young adults with a Christian background are not favored, that would look bad, but if they hide behind those who believe in creationism as junk science, as an affront to the true motive to weed out Christianity, then they are home free to spin an affirmative action issue as a science issue that doesnt belong in the courts.
"Nassirian said he sees the lawsuit's proponents as attempting to win an academic debate outside the academic world."
What a pedantic, conceited, elitist twit.
Neither these students nor those who are representing them are suing to force the teaching of ID at any UC. Nor are they engaging in debate. They're simply asking that their courswork not be discrminated against based upon their viewpoint.
And if these high school students are getting UC credit for their work, they're still having to take the national standardized AP Biology test. And if not, they're probably required to take a biology course just how the UCs like them during their years there. That is, unless, the UCs have watered down their distribution requirements with gender identity courses.
I don't know about the history & literature courses, perhaps they have a point there. But it certainly would be professional malfeasance if the university counted a creationist biology course towards admission. This is true whether the applicant learned their bogus biology in a Christian school, Jewish school, or Muslim school.
Why not just attend a Christian college? I do believe there is a bias against Christianity in many public colleges so why give them your money?
Sounds like yer social studies to me. UC are bigots.
I guess UC thinks they learn all this in church so it don't count?
How in the world can these kids get a proper education if they don't
get the UC-approved "Revisionist History According To Liberal
Union Members (Teachers)"?
(end sarcasm)
Assuming that this rule is applied fairly and objectively, (a significant assumption, I recognize) it makes perfect sense to me. Even though arabs invented it, I would not accept a heavily dosed "islamic Algebra" course for credit.
If the Christian schools provide objectively equal or superior courses to secular schools and it can be demonstrated as such, then obviously the students are as well prepared. If courses like biology, history and social studies are heavily dosed with fundamental Christian teaching to the point where they are basically courses taught to instill Christian beliefs rather than the purported subject matter, then the students are not demonstrably prepared and an SAT subject test is in order.
So they should just take the SAT. What's the problem?
Sorry nutcases, but the lawsuit isn't just about your favorite boogeyman, ID - it helps sometimes to read the article and have an idea what you are talking about. But it is also nice you see y'all side with the libs again. In fact, earlier articles about this gave short mention to ID which makes me think it is being used as a strawman to justify this discrimination.
That is the critical issue. The students can simply take the SAT test. If they pass, it will be no problem.
I have a suspicion that these "students" either did not take the SATs at all or scored very low. Indeed, I would want to know what their SAT math and verbal scores were. (Even for our diehard creationists, math and english should not be affected by creationist beliefs).
These "students" probably had 400s on their SAT math and verbal tests and are using this "discrimination" as a way to overcome their low academic standing.
That being the case, this lawsuit is identical to those who have asked for affirmative action in the past. Once again, we find that creationists are more like liberals.
One would think the parents of students attending a BJU feeder school would have preferred their kids to go to BJU to continue that train of education.
""You cannot get a victory in court on science, as Galileo learned," he said"
This man seems to have a poor grasp of history...it was Galileo who ran afoul of church teachings and got himself in trouble with the ecclesiatical rulers(the inquisition) of the day.
Well of course "Creation Science" is an oxymoron, and any self-respecting institution of higher education will give zero credit for any course based on that. And the Christian students are being given the opportunity to take a test to demonstrate knowledge in the subject matter. For a private university, I would say that the UC administrators were spot-on. But UC is a government institution, which raises all sorts of church-state issues.
My solution: Shut down government universities and colleges. Then at Bible-Thumber U those students who want to can study Snake-Handling 101. At Darwin U they can study the evolution of venomous snakes. Everybody happy.
[Courses titled "Special Providence: American Government," and "Christianity and Morality in American Literature," were also rejected. The lawsuit argues it is unfair these courses were nixed while others titled "Western Civilization: The Jewish Experience," and "Intro to Buddhism," were approved.]
If this is correct, then this case is about religious discrimination.
This seems to cover it.