Posted on 11/26/2005 9:36:29 PM PST by Mier
While all the anti war cowards were screaming for Bush to cut and run and our willing accomplice main stream media acting like kids in a candy store. I heard someone on talk radio say that during the civil war Lincoln had his media detracters thrown in the bottom of a war ship until the war was over. But I can't find any facts on-line to back it up. Does any one know where I might go to find information on this? I mentioned this to a (left wing co-worker) and he thinks I made it up. I sure would like to prove him wrong! Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.
You seem to have ignored the personal papers of Federal Marshall Ward Hill Laman, located at the the Huntington library in Pasadena.
You also ignored Baltimore Mayor George Brown's book regarding the conversation he had with Chief Justice Taney following the Merryman decision. Mr. Taney states to Brown "He then told me that he knew his own imprisonment had been a matter of consultation, but the danger had passed, and he warned me from information he had received, that my time would come.".
What about Justice Curtis's reference to Lincoln's plan to arrest the Chief Justice: "He wrote the dissenting opinion in Dred Scott, which Lincoln carried in his pocket while debating with Stephen A. Douglas. He resigned from the Court after a dispute with Taney over that case. Yet he admired the Chief Justice for his Merryman decision, and makes reference to the plan to arrest Taney, calling it a "Great Crime."".
As Mr. Adams states "And so the case stands, the Presidential warrant to arrest the Chief Justice is on solid ground. It represents just one more tough nut the apologists and gate keepers have to live with; it cannot be swept under the rug, so to speak, as a fabrication.".
Which cases were which?
"In reply I have to state that if you will furnish me with the names of one or two persons whose arrest would be likely to produce a proper effect upon the course of that paper I will communicate a decision upon the subject."
What was that decision? Was anyone actually arrested?
Well the idiot claim of the 300 papers was in the DiLusional column that Rustbucket attached a link to. That had no sources at all, just Tommy's lies.
The power of the southron myth machine. Anderson's father was killed by a man named Arthur Baker in self defense. Baker had turned Bill and Jim in for stealing horses and Anderson senior went after him with a shotgun. Baker was the better shot. Bloody Bill later trapped Baker in his store and burned him alive. Nice guy, all in all. The death of Anderson's sister was accidental.
Face it, Missouri was our own Balkans war, for 10 years before, and 20 years after the civil war, neighbors were murdering neighbors with unrelenting hatred.
But it seems that you would have us believe that all the hatred was on the Union side.
So if you have absolutely no problem with the murder of innocent Unionists then how can you complain about the murder of southerners?
So if it's OK to kill innocent Unionists then it must also be OK to kill innocent Southern supporters. What's good for the goose must also be good for the gander.
No, just the fact that there is nothing in Lamon's papers providing that evidence. The story of the Taney arrest warrant first appeared in an edition of Lamon's book, which was ghost written by the way. There is no warrant, there is no documentation that such a warrant was issued. There is no evidence that Lincoln ordered warrants on anyone else. Taney never spent a minute in jail. There is simply nothing which supports the claim.
You also ignored Baltimore Mayor George Brown's book regarding the conversation he had with Chief Justice Taney following the Merryman decision. Mr. Taney states to Brown "He then told me that he knew his own imprisonment had been a matter of consultation, but the danger had passed, and he warned me from information he had received, that my time would come.".
Taney related his paranoid fears to several people. But I would ask who told Taney that his imprisonment had been discussed. Lamon would have us believe that only he and Lincoln were in on the warrant, who told Taney? Taney was convinced that he would suffer for the Merriman decision, that doesn't mean that such plans were ever contemplated.
What about Justice Curtis's reference to Lincoln's plan to arrest the Chief Justice: "He wrote the dissenting opinion in Dred Scott, which Lincoln carried in his pocket while debating with Stephen A. Douglas. He resigned from the Court after a dispute with Taney over that case. Yet he admired the Chief Justice for his Merryman decision, and makes reference to the plan to arrest Taney, calling it a "Great Crime."".
One would assume that the source for the Taney arrest threat was Taney himself. And again, just because Taney was convinced he would be arrested doesn't mean it was planned. Taney remained on the bench until his death.
As Mr. Adams states "And so the case stands, the Presidential warrant to arrest the Chief Justice is on solid ground. It represents just one more tough nut the apologists and gate keepers have to live with; it cannot be swept under the rug, so to speak, as a fabrication.".
Adams's "solid ground" is what the courts would call hearsay, and would be thrown out of any court in the land. Adams admits there is no concrete evidence, just stories. But absence of evidence has never stopped men like Adams and DiLorenzo from making their claims.
Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, Henry Knox were all "Yankees." Where would the nation be without them?
I have seen NOTHING out of Lew Rockwell or ANY here who ascribe to his views to suggest anything less than he is a racist. So far, every discussion, if carried on long enough, with a supporter of Rockwells, ends in a statement like, "Well, slavery wasn't so bad." End of argument.
Or, as you so imply, the southerners were dirty SOB's that should have been exterminated? You and Sherman would have been in total agreement. His and other Northerner's ideas were what the war was really about, "GREED". Invade the south, subjugate, kill, deport the people and colonize it with Yankees.
Excerpts from Sherman's letter to his brother of Aug. 13, 1862:
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/topic/military/CivilWar/shermanscheme.htm
"Of course I approve the confiscation act, and would be willing to revolutionize the government so as to amend that article of the Constitution which forbids the forfeiture of land to the heirs. My full belief is, we must colonize the country de novo, beginning with Kentucky and Tennessee, and should remove 4,000,000 of our people at once south of the Ohio River, taking the farms and plantations of the Rebels. I deplore the war as much as ever, but if the thing has to be done, let the means be adequate."
"We must colonize and settle as we go South, for in Missouri there is as much strife as ever."
"Enemies must be killed or transported to some other country."
Not that I could find. Apparently excluding the National Zeitung from the mails had the effect of shutting the paper down so the editors weren't arrested. It ceased publication shortly after being excluded from the mails.
POST-OFFICE DEPARTMENT, September 14, 1861.
Honorable WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State.
SIR: I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your notes of the 12th and 14th instant and to inform you that on the day of the receipt of your first note an order was made excluding the National Zeitung from the mails and the postmaster of New York instructed to execute the order. The circulation through the mails of the Staats Zeitung has not been prohibited.
I am, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
JOHN A. KASSSON,
Acting Postmaster-General
I take it that this is the sort of thing you are looking for:
WASHINGTON, September 2, 1861.
ROBERT MURRAY, U. S. Marshal:
Arrest the editor of the Greenport Republican Watchman and send him to Fort Lafayette and deliver him into the custody of Colonel Martin Burke. If he has left home for Syracuse arrest him anywhere on the road where he can be found.
WILLIAM H. SEWARD.
[you] Which cases were which?
Too lazy to look in the link I provided? Here is what they cited:
On February 23, 1863, the Davenport Daily Gazette in Iowa reported that some seventy-five convalescent soldiers from a near-by military hospital entered the office of the Keokuk, Iowa Constitution, wrecked the presses and dumped the type out the window. (65) In the spring of 1863, the Crisis and the Marietta, Ohio Republican, a Democratic paper, suffered damages at the hands of a mob of soldiers. (66) The next year a number of other newspapers in the Midwest, including the Mahoning, Ohio Sentinel, Lancaster, Ohio Eagle, Dayton Empire, Fremont Messenger, and the Chester, Illinois Picket Guard experienced similar visitations. (67)
Here is confirmation from another site that the Picket Guard was destroyed by soldiers:
In 1864 soldiers stationed in Cairo marched a short distance from their camp to destroy the press and offices of the Chester Picket Guard, a persistent critic of the war and administration.
It is unclear from the information I found what kinds of pro-Union mobs destroyed the Easton paper and tarred and feathered the Massachusetts editor. I posted the exact wording about those incidents that I found on the web.
I also posted the exact wording I found about the Bloomington Times -- that was listed as a pro-Union mob. I also quoted PeaRidge's post that stated a mob of soldiers demolished the offices of the Democratic Standard in DC and a Unionist mob destroyed the printing facilities of the Bangor Democrat.
Apparently it wasn't very safe to say anything against Lincoln in the North.
Oh Yea...you are really funny....NOT.
But then again, you are from Illinois, so why should i expect anything different.
Post the link, I will try and find some for you.
Men of fighting age weren't "innocent"......
Read the slave narratives. It was wrong, but not nearly as bad as you "REVISIONIST"of History types would have everyone believe....
But you are inching closer to saying, "It wasn't all that bad," as i expected. I have yet to see a neo-Confederate revisionist who didn't secretly approve of slavery.
One of many myths and over exaggerations of the Lost Cause School of historical distortion and the fevered moonbats at sites like Lou Rocksmell.com. The only "journalists" bothered by the Lincoln administration were those who advocated soldiers desert their posts or who actively supported the Confederate cause.
There was the celebrated Clemet Vallingham arrest, (a former congressmen and newspaper owner in Ohio) who was openly sympathetic with the Confederates. Local military authorities arrested him for sedition and Lincoln ordered him to be released --- behind Confederate lines where he belonged. He ended up in Canada working directly with Confederate agents there. There was another case where Union soldiers broke into an anti-war (not pro-Confederate) newspaper office and stole all of the paper's printing equipment. Their commanders ordered them to return it. No one was kept locked in the bottom of warships for the duration.
As to the wisdom of and conduct of the war, the majority of the "mainstream press" of the day was far harder and more critical of the Lincoln administration than they are being on Bush, and nothing was done to them. It's funny how the same propagandists at Lou Rockwell who write that Lincoln stamped out freedom of the press will also cite all the northern newspaper articles critical of Lincoln and the war as proof that Lincoln "dragged" the north into a war it didn't want. Like all moonbats, logical consistency is not one of their strong points.
Now if you want examples of real restraints on the media and 1st amendment rights, you have to go to the Wilson administration during WWI. For serious censorship and media manipulation, see the Roosevelt administration during WWII.
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