E-mail authored by democ'Rat making rounds ... Who served/Who didn't.

Unsolicited random e-mail | Unknown | Illinois State Sen. Howard W. Carroll

[BluH2o]

How some of our elected and appointed governmental officials have served our country.
I'm sure this list is not complete, but there is enough to make one think ...

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Service in the Armed Forces
A list of who's served our country

Democrats:

* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam. Paraplegic from war injuries, served in Congress.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve, student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and AirMedal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.

Republicans -- the guys sending people to Afghanistan and Iraq:

* Dick Cheney: did not serve, several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill First: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve, seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve, "Bad knee." (The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.)
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; failed to show up for required ...
* B-1 Bob Dornan: enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years as quarterback.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Pundits & Preachers

* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.

Please keep this information circulating --Illinois State Sen. Howard W. Carroll

[thoughtomator]

Given that we know a couple of their examples are frauds already (Kerry's self-awarded medals, Al Gore's joke of service) I wonder how puffed up the rest of that list is? I also noticed that they omitted crucial pieces of information concerning Bill "I loathe the military" Clinton.

[ABG(anybody but Gore)]

You miss his point. The RATS are resorting to the same arguments about who served vs. who didn't that they denounced when a rapist, traitorous, draft-dodging, serial criminal was running for President of the United States.

They resorted to it twice: in 1992, and again four years later, against decorated WW2 vets. Funny how that amnesia kicked in so quickly when in 2000, 2004, and today the same RATS tried to make an issue out of Dubya's TANG service and denouncing anybody who dares criticize the senile Murtha for being against their attempt to surrender to Al Queda.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

Wow. He just demonstrated that he can select a group of politicians and make some sort of political point. Whoop-de-doo. Let's take a look at the last few presidential elections...

2004
Bush 43:
Served in the nat'l guard.
Kerry:
A few questionably attained purple hearts in four months of service. Claimed to have been sent to Cambodia by a president who wasn't in office.

2000
Bush 43:
See above.
Algore:
Was a reporter or some such in Vietnam.

1996:
Clinton:
Dodged draft.
Dole:
Lost use of right arm during action in WWII.

1992:
Clinton:
See above.
Bush 41:
Youngest pilot to serve in WWII

1988:
Dukakis:
Once rode in a tank.
Bush 41:
See above.

BTW, John Wayne is a pundit? Will someone please inform this idiot that he's dead?

[WinOne4TheGipper]

Wow. He just demonstrated that he can select a group of politicians and make some sort of political point. Whoop-de-doo. Let's take a look at the last few presidential elections...

2004
Bush 43:
Served in the nat'l guard.
Kerry:
A few questionably attained purple hearts in four months of service. Claimed to have been sent to Cambodia by a president who wasn't in office.

2000
Bush 43:
See above.
Algore:
Was a reporter or some such in Vietnam.

1996:
Clinton:
Dodged draft.
Dole:
Lost use of right arm during action in WWII.

1992:
Clinton:
See above.
Bush 41:
Youngest pilot to serve in WWII

1988:
Dukakis:
Once rode in a tank.
Bush 41:
See above.

BTW, John Wayne is a pundit? Will someone please inform this idiot that he's dead?

[Diana in Wisconsin]

The DimoWits have been compiling "Chickenhawk" lists for along time now, supposedly to show how tough they are, compared to Republicans that have served in the military (of which I am one.)

They always end up going back to shrill and vulgar mode, take it too far and end up just looking ridiculous as usual. Witness, their "Chickenhawk" Deck of Cards:

And their "pundit lists" ALWAYS neglect to include pundits that HAVE served in the military such as Col North, et al. *Rolleyes*

[ctdonath2]

So did Timothy McVeigh.
But Bill Clinton didn't.
Neither did Hillary.

Leftists just don't learn, do they?
When they get selective with their facts, we just slam them with all the facts.

Like the "pull out or not" vote, we need a list showing ALL congresscritters' service status. The result will likely destroy the above propaganda.

[popdonnelly]

No one needs to have served in order to express an opinion about the security of the United States. There are plenty of people ranting about how bad the war is who have never served, either. They are the same people who quote e-mails like this one.

[RexBeach]

Lincoln was the militia for a very short time during the so-called "Black Hawk War" in Illinois.

[popdonnelly]

"* Bill Clinton: Did not serve, student deferments. Entered draft but received #311"

Hillary Clinton: Did not serve, but taught Special Forces how to fight dirty.

[Cooter]

This is from the party that sought to invalidate military ballots in 2000.

[tanknetter]

While excluding currently-serving Republicans who were in the military (e.g. the much-maligned Duke Cunningham), they went into the "way-back machine" to find guys like George McGovern on the Democrat side to pad the score. By this logic they should include Dwight Eisenhower (no less deceased than John Wayne), George H. W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.

No kidding. They also forgot to include Strom Thurmond, who parachuted into Normandy with the Airborne on D-Day.

[popdonnelly]

* Bill Clinton: Did not serve, student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.

Bill Clinton: Tried to use his employer, Senator Fulbright, to get him out of the draft. Lied to his draft board about his intention to enroll in an ROTC program. Never enrolled in an ROTC program. Went to England and lead anti-war demonstrations. Also visited Moscow. Later wrote incredibly stupid letter to the head of his draft board, thanking him for helping Clinton to escape the draft.

[Lx]

When and where did Al Franken serve?

[Always Right]

* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; failed to show up for required ...

What phoney memos do they have to support this. Bush got an honorable discharge, I am not sure the same could be said for Kerry.

[vabeachrepub]

A large number of these Dems are out of office and have been for several years - and this is the only way you can get a large number of Dems with service - to include all of those with service records that go back several years.

Bob Kerrey? Out of office for 4 years.
Bonior? Out for 3 years
Daschle? Out for 1 year
Al Gore? Out for 5 years
Max Cleland? Out for 3 years
Fritz Hollings? Out for 1 year
Gray Davis? Out for I don't remember but its about 2 years or so
Chuck Robb? Out for 4 years - and beaten by my hero George Allen no less
Howell Heflin? Out for 8 years
George Mcgovern? Out for 25 years
Bill Clinton? Out for 5 years and didn't serve anyway because of a loathing for the military
Jimmy Carter? Out for 25 years
Walter Mondale? Out for 25 years
John Glenn? Out for 6 years

And thats over half the people on the list. So what are they really trying to say - that there are only a dozen or so current Dems in office with military experience?

[Always Right]

Hillary Clinton: Did not serve, but taught Special Forces how to fight dirty.

Hillary Clinton: Had interns complete her duty.

[Blessed]

>More Democrats that are elected have served in the military because this helps them get paste the stereotype that Dems are wooses on Natl Defense.<

There is no evidence more Dems have served.They have listed virtually every Dem that has served on this list.It is really relatively short.I suspect in absolute numbers the GOP wins.I can think of 2 or 3 Republicans off the top of my head that served.

They mentioned Ted Kennedy.How about Robert? How about Robert F.Jr.? How about brave little Howard Ford Jr. that got in the face of a woman on the floor of congress Friday? He sure made Imus proud.

[popdonnelly]

Jim McDermott: did not serve.
Dennis Kucinich: did not serve.
Barney Frank: did not serve.
John Conyers: did not serve.
Cynthia McKinney: don't even ask.

Isn't this fun?

[dfwgator]

They also forgot to include Strom Thurmond, who parachuted into Normandy with the Airborne on D-Day.

Yeah, but he was a Democrat back then.

[dead]

Republicans -- the guys sending people to Afghanistan and Iraq:

* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Liberals are a very very confused bunch.

They believe governors and mayors send people off to war.