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To: Ichneumon
Begging the Captain's pardon, but I was taught that genetic change is evolution, while natural selection (including sexual selection) was the engine of that genetic shift and hence, evolution.
250 posted on 11/20/2005 5:46:35 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy; Ichneumon
Begging the Captain's pardon, but I was taught that genetic change is evolution, while natural selection (including sexual selection) was the engine of that genetic shift and hence, evolution.

Ichneumon can post his own response, but I'll give you Darwin's view of it, and he knew nothing about genetics. This is from Origin of Species (6th ed.), Chapter 2 - Variation Under Nature:

The many slight differences which appear in the offspring from the same parents, or which it may be presumed have thus arisen, from being observed in the individuals of the same species inhabiting the same confined locality, may be called individual differences. No one supposes that all the individuals of the same species are cast in the same actual mould. These individual differences are of the highest importance for us, for they are often inherited, as must be familiar to every one; and they thus afford materials for natural selection to act on and accumulate, in the same manner as man accumulates in any given direction individual differences in his domesticated productions.
Variation and natural selection. That was Darwin's theory.
252 posted on 11/20/2005 5:53:39 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: Pharmboy

Mutation proposes; selection disposes.


265 posted on 11/20/2005 6:44:59 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Pharmboy
Begging the Captain's pardon, but I was taught that genetic change is evolution, while natural selection (including sexual selection) was the engine of that genetic shift and hence, evolution.

Yes (although of course there are additional complicating factors). Did it sound as if I was denying that in post #73? I wasn't. I was objecting to the claim that "Darwinism rejects" a "fit to a more graceful life". It doesn't.

288 posted on 11/20/2005 8:40:19 PM PST by Ichneumon
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