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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"To me this is the same as Cynthia McKinney grabbing for the $10M Saudi check after 9/11."

You really think so? The fact of the matter is that there is the very real possibility that people will freeze to death in the Northeast this winter because of stupid government regulations and the greed of an American oil industry which which has much of the Washington government and this administration on its payroll in one fashion or another!

I've heard all the arguments about democrats keeping a refinery out of the Northeast but that's just oil company/administration spin. There are major refineries in NJ and New Brunswick, right next door so to speak and yet the price of home heating oil is higher than the more highly refined and heavily taxed gasoline products!

Churchill said he'd make a pact with the devil if it meant beating Hitler. If this congressman's efforts with Chavez, an otherwise execrable creep, keep some poor people warm this winter, the only shame is on Washington which has allowed this situation to arise in the first place and an oil industry which took shameful advantage of wild speculation in an out of control free for all market in both crude and distillates! It is exactly the sort of pinched soul polemics and hyperbole you've demonstrated here which will drive people to vote for the democrats in the midterm elections!
20 posted on 11/20/2005 5:52:39 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
the very real possibility that people will freeze to death in the Northeast this winter because of stupid government regulations and the greed of an American oil industry

1. It is the envirowhackos who have prevented the construction of refineries for more than two decades by filing frivolous suits on behalf of spotted owls and 3-legged-toads...suits that are rubber-stamped by Carter and Clinton judicial appointees.

2. The oil industry is in the business to make money. Capitalism. That being said, prices at the pumps for more than 3/4 of U.S. gas stations are set at each station not by giant conglomerates. This is because of antitrust laws. And such prices wouldn't be so high if federal and state governments didn't tax the hell out of liquid fuels. Granted home heating oil isn't taxed the same...but the government still takes its share.

3. People freezing to death? Parade of imaginary horribles without a scintilla of evidence to back it up. Give me a break. You sound like every leftist troll who posts here. Can't wait to hear your views on homelessness, Kyoto Treaty, and the Iraq War.

P.S. Give my regards to Comrade Sheehan during your next protest.

22 posted on 11/20/2005 6:06:52 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Kolokotronis
The fact of the matter is that there is the very real possibility that people will freeze to death in the Northeast this winter....

Piffle. Heating oil stocks are very high, and there are already programs to get heating oil to the needy.

I've heard all the arguments about democrats keeping a refinery out of the Northeast but that's just oil company/administration spin.

Piffle again. It isn't about local refineries. Oil products can be and are shipped from one side of the country to the other, and one side of the world to the other, when an order is placed. Lack of refineries will not affect the oil coming from Venezuela, for instance.

Home heating oil is nothing more than regular diesel oil, usually #2, though sometimes it has a different mix of additives. If you look at the price at your local gas station, you will see that the cost is higher than gasoline there, as well.

23 posted on 11/20/2005 6:07:07 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Kolokotronis

Hmmm, sounds like you favor big government to regulate prices. That's certainly not a conservative issue. I'm not surprised, you are a lawyer after all. Your screed belongs over on DU.


24 posted on 11/20/2005 6:09:57 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: Kolokotronis
"To me this is the same as Cynthia McKinney grabbing for the $10M Saudi check after 9/11." You really think so? The fact of the matter is that there is the very real possibility that people will freeze to death in the Northeast this winter because of stupid government regulations and the greed of an American oil industry which which has much of the Washington government and this administration on its payroll in one fashion or another!

Get a few years under your belt and you'll understand economics and socialism a wee bit better. If you're already seasoned, you're a crack-pot.

52 posted on 11/20/2005 7:42:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Kolokotronis
The fact of the matter is that there is the very real possibility that people will freeze to death in the Northeast this winter because of stupid government regulations and the greed of an American oil industry which which has much of the Washington government and this administration on its payroll in one fashion or another!

Given that you started this rant with the words "The fact" it would be nice to see at least one fact in it.

54 posted on 11/20/2005 7:54:39 AM PST by jscd3
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To: Kolokotronis

I'm sure you can name someone who die because they couldn't afford to heat their home?


Other than miserable druggies who spent their $ on getting their next fix.


55 posted on 11/20/2005 7:58:27 AM PST by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: Kolokotronis
The speculators and free trading of oil futures and spot oil make the markets MORE efficient, not less. There's a free market for trading most commodities, and if the US were to shut down these exchanges, the traders would simply move their trading to London, Calgary, Vienna, or whatever country wanted an oil trading exchange. Some country would.

There are essentially four determinants to the cost of heating oil, or any other oil product: 1) the cost of a barrel of oil, 2) the cost to refine, 3) the cost of distribution, and 4) taxes. The US government can do essentially nothing to influence #1. #2 is has some control over by allowing more refineries to be built. #3 it has limited influence. #4 is has complete influence. But like any market, if you let the free market work, then the cost of refining will go down with competition, and the cost of distribution will also go down with distribution. Government intervention is not the solution, it's the problem.

62 posted on 11/20/2005 8:38:57 AM PST by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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To: Kolokotronis
home heating oil is higher than the more highly refined and heavily taxed gasoline

This is a great and continuing mystery, although the low sulfur standard now required in diesel and home heating oil (essentially the same product) has driven the cost up.

There is no supply shortage. There is a shortage of refinery capacity. The Maine Coast would be an excellent place to put a huge new refinery. The Gulf of Maine would be a wonderful place to look for oil.

In re: pinched soul polemics and hyperbole you've demonstrated here which will drive people to vote for the democrats in the midterm elections!

The failure of the Bushes, both oil men, to formulate a sane energy policy will be the biggest dent in their "legacies." Very disappointing leadership on that issue. You're right about the election, too. My biggest fear is that George II will follow in his father's footsteps, and wimp out at the very moment soundly based Republican policies are most needed.

89 posted on 11/21/2005 12:39:29 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Valerie Plame was about as much of a Secret Agent as Aunt Jemima.)
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