[Lucky Dog]

My point is obvious and I stated it at the start. Muslims are not all killers today and the history of Islam has not always included so many killers.

From the beginning of “Islam,” its founder spread the “faith” by the sword. The Koran (guidance directly from Mohammed) exhorts Muslims to kill or enslave infidels.

While it may be true that not all Muslims are directly engaged in killing or slavery, the lack of condemnation of such coming from the overwhelming majority of Muslims is noticeably lacking. In this case, the failure to speak against such activities amounts to support.

There is no question that today Christians are better behaved and more civilized than muslims. My point being just that history is continuous and Islam might need to work things out the same way Christianity did. Or, maybe it needs to die out. Who knows?

Your point is incongruous with history. Regardless of whether it is today or thousands of years ago, Christians who rigorously follow the tenants of the New Testament were never less than “better behaved.”

As I have noted before, the same cannot be said of the followers of Islam rigorously following the Koran.

[from your earlier post:] I think it's more a question of nationalism and middle-eastern failure than a problem of religion.

[from my earlier post:] I disagree vehemently. I challenge you to name a major “nationalist movement” (excluding any involving Muslims) that has employed “suicide bombers” to the vast extent that Islamist fascists have done. Let me extend the challenge to cite any modern “nationalist movement” that has used “fatwah’s” or “religious edits” to justify killing innocent non-combatants in attacks on targets with no military or political value. …

I submit that the logical conclusion from the facts I have cited as well as others in the news and recent history is far distant from your assertions.

You still have not addressed the challenge…

[bkepley]

From the beginning of “Islam,” its founder spread the “faith” by the sword. The Koran (guidance directly from Mohammed) exhorts Muslims to kill or enslave infidels.

Exodus 32:27 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain 27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour

While it may be true that not all Muslims are directly engaged in killing or slavery, the lack of condemnation of such coming from the overwhelming majority of Muslims is noticeably lacking. In this case, the failure to speak against such activities amounts to support.

I agree. I just don't see how calling Muhammed a pervert will help them to see the error of their ways.

Your point is incongruous with history. Regardless of whether it is today or thousands of years ago, Christians who rigorously follow the tenants of the New Testament were never less than “better behaved.”

Since I am neither Christian nor Muslim scholar, I let actions speak louder than words. I have also witnessed some of the most biggoted and hateful speech from those who call themselves Christian, unfortunately.

As I have noted before, the same cannot be said of the followers of Islam rigorously following the Koran.

I am not a scholar of Islam and am not competent to agree or disagree.

I disagree vehemently. I challenge you to name a major “nationalist movement” (excluding any involving Muslims) that has employed “suicide bombers” to the vast extent that Islamist fascists have done.

I thought the Kamikazee example was good enough, but I'm not sure what the point is. They employ suicide bombers since it's effective. Irish nationalist Catholics did not do suicide, so what? They killed just as well. Obviously it's more in line with Islamic teachings.

Let me extend the challenge to cite any modern “nationalist movement” that has used “fatwah’s” or “religious edits” to justify killing innocent non-combatants in attacks on targets with no military or political value. …

Again, so what? It's their cultural/religious heritage naturally. Call it "culturalism" or "ethnicism" instead of nationalism. They are Islamic but I believe their culture is a failure (which probably can be directly linked to Islam), but I think their hatred is fueled by resentment over their failure, not by the Koran. That's only my opinion. Actually I think that blaming the Koran removes some of the blame from themselves.