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To: Lucky Dog
From the beginning of “Islam,” its founder spread the “faith” by the sword. The Koran (guidance directly from Mohammed) exhorts Muslims to kill or enslave infidels.

Exodus 32:27 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain 27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour

While it may be true that not all Muslims are directly engaged in killing or slavery, the lack of condemnation of such coming from the overwhelming majority of Muslims is noticeably lacking. In this case, the failure to speak against such activities amounts to support.

I agree. I just don't see how calling Muhammed a pervert will help them to see the error of their ways.

Your point is incongruous with history. Regardless of whether it is today or thousands of years ago, Christians who rigorously follow the tenants of the New Testament were never less than “better behaved.”

Since I am neither Christian nor Muslim scholar, I let actions speak louder than words. I have also witnessed some of the most biggoted and hateful speech from those who call themselves Christian, unfortunately.

As I have noted before, the same cannot be said of the followers of Islam rigorously following the Koran.

I am not a scholar of Islam and am not competent to agree or disagree.

I disagree vehemently. I challenge you to name a major “nationalist movement” (excluding any involving Muslims) that has employed “suicide bombers” to the vast extent that Islamist fascists have done.

I thought the Kamikazee example was good enough, but I'm not sure what the point is. They employ suicide bombers since it's effective. Irish nationalist Catholics did not do suicide, so what? They killed just as well. Obviously it's more in line with Islamic teachings.

Let me extend the challenge to cite any modern “nationalist movement” that has used “fatwah’s” or “religious edits” to justify killing innocent non-combatants in attacks on targets with no military or political value. …

Again, so what? It's their cultural/religious heritage naturally. Call it "culturalism" or "ethnicism" instead of nationalism. They are Islamic but I believe their culture is a failure (which probably can be directly linked to Islam), but I think their hatred is fueled by resentment over their failure, not by the Koran. That's only my opinion. Actually I think that blaming the Koran removes some of the blame from themselves.

48 posted on 11/19/2005 7:19:26 AM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley
Long on rhetoric short on facts. So far your posting on this matter has earned an F for the day.
72 posted on 11/19/2005 2:01:07 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Cowards cut and run. Not Marines" Congresswoman Jean Schmidt (Republican))
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To: bkepley
You quote in Exodus is a cherry-picked excerpt. After reading a greater text of the matter, please point out where Moses was calling for the killing of infidels.

The full contextual version is (New JPS translation according to the traditional Hebrew text):

Exodus 32.21 - 32.29

Moses said to Aaron, "What did this people do to you that you have brought such great sin upon them?" Aaron said, "Let not my lord be enraged. You know that this people is bent on evil. They said to me, 'Make us a god to lead us; for that man Moses, who brought us from the land of Egypt - we do not know what has happened to him.' So I said to them, 'Whoever has gold, take it off!' They gave it to me and I hurled it into the fire and out came this calf!"

Moses saw that the people were out of control - since Aaron had let them get out of control - so that they were a menace to any who might oppose them. Moses stood up in the gate of the camp and said, "Whoever is for the Lord, come here!" And all the Levites rallied to him. He said to them, "Thus says the Lord, G-d of Israel: Each of you put sword on thigh, go back and forth from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay brother, neighbor, and kin." The Levites did as Moses had bidden; and some three thousand of the people fell that day. And Moses said, "Dedicate yourselves to the Lord this day - for each of you has been against son and brother - that He may bestow a blessing upon you today."
75 posted on 11/19/2005 3:03:23 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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