The Mark Levin Show Thread November 18, 2005

Sorry for the length, some dose from today for those who missed a lot (a short list):

First of all, I am the last one who would want to smear a former Marine... when he acts like a Marine, that is.

Repeats what he DID say last May... with Pelosi:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/specialreports/iraq/s_192988.html

October 23, 2003
The "NO" Vote - Peterson, Murtha Screw Our Soldiers
http://www.seamuspress.com/archives/rep_john_murtha/

Excerpt:
Peterson wasn't the only Pennsylvania legislator opposed to the pay raise for soldiers. Murtha (D) not only voted against it but he also argued against it on the floor. Murtha also voted to raise his own pay (but didn't even bother to change it afterwards). I suppose that adding to their individual wealth is more important to them than helping out the soldiers they put at risk (remember both of these hypocrits supported the war).

I find his decision interesting (not just because he gave it with Pelosi either); Check out who his top contributors have been, then go to top industries and to the 2005-2006 profile:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/allcontrib.asp?CID=N00001408

The nadir of the war?
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4996

Winning in Iraq - and losing at home
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4998

What the President Should be Saying
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4997

MSM Silent On Murtha's 2004 Statement Calling Iraq War "Unwinnable"
http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2680

Marines: The Media Don't Show What America is Getting For Our Sacrifice
http://media.nationalreview.com/082793.asp

From Murtha's website:

Congressman Murtha has worked hard to bring thousands of long-term, family-sustaining jobs to Western Pennsylvania. With the disappearance of the coal and steel jobs that for more than a century were the lifeblood of the area, he pushed the region in a new direction, intent on diversifying the economy to help insulate it from future shocks. In the early 1990s, new companies in an industry unfamiliar in Western Pennsylvania - defense - began to spring up, bringing more than 5,000 jobs to the district he represents. He founded the House Steel Caucus and has brought millions of dollars to the United Mine Workers to retrain displaced miners and train new miners.

The above is from his web site. He represents the defeated, rotting industrial heart of Pennsylvania. Losing is an attitude. What pet pork project did his district not get? There has to be something really interesting to this flip flop. (From another thread)

Flashback 1996 on Iraq:

Pre-War "containment" of Iraq was not successful.
1. The oil-for-food program was corrupt.
2. The weapons inspections were a farce.
3. US planes were being targeted.*
4. Uninspected flights to Baghdad made the sanctions pointless.
5. Terrorists were training in Iraq.
6. Saddam's brutality brought suffering and death to thousands of our fellow human beings.

Saddam was thumbing his nose at the world as he enriched those who were willing to collaborate with him.

*CNN,September 11, 1996
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9609/11/iraq/

Over the past six days, Iraq claimed it repeatedly fired on warplanes over the "no-fly zone," but the U.S. previously said it detected no fire. Last week, President Saddam Hussein announced he would no longer honor the no-fly zones and ordered his forces to shoot at U.S. and allied aircraft.
Tuesday, the United States said it was considering a possible new strike against Iraq based on growing evidence that Baghdad is repairing military installations damaged by U.S. missiles last week.
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Here is a letter I sent to my congressman calling for an immediate house vote on the "murtha plan" to dispell any hope our enemies have that we will vote to cut-and-run:

Honorable Congressman Davis,

This is a grave day for our troops. Already we see e-mails from the field speaking about demoralization, dejection, and defeat. This is NOT because of what is happening in Iraq, the troops are still winning there.

No, it is because they see their elected leaders cutting the legs out from under them. They see their victory at war, bought at great cost to themselves and their compatriots, turned into a defeat by those in washington who are either scared of public opinion, or worse want nothing more than to take back control of the reigns of power, and don't care who they sacrifice to do so.

Our troops, our allies, and our enemies now see a "respected high-ranking democrat" calling for immediate and unconditional surrender. And they don't know how widespread that feeling is, but it gives our enemies hope that congress will vote to do so soon.

We must dash the hopes of our enemies, and rekindle the enthusiasm of our troops. My recommendation is that the House immediately schedule a vote on the "Murtha Plan". Our allies and enemies alike must see that the United States REJECTS Murtha's plan for capitulation. They won't see that unless a VOTE is held to repudiate it.

And after the vote, Murtha must be persuaded to withdrawal his recommendation or resign from the house. So long as a person in the house is in direct conflict with the stated goals of the government, and cannot support the efforts of the troops in a time of war, it will give our enemies hope that he will eventually persuade his colleagues.

But he can't be "forced out". He needs good, respected members of the house, the senate, and the military (preferably all military men) to sit down with him and explain what is best for the troops. I believe Murtha is an honorable but misguided man, who can be persuaded to do the right thing for our troops in a time of war.

But regardless of that, it is imperative that the house get ON RECORD now rejecting Murtha's plan. And if a majority of the democrats support that plan, it is very important that we get them on record now, so there is plenty of time for true patriots in their own party to rise up with primary opponents who will support our troops, not cut and run when the war has gone on too long.

I note that nobody seems to claim that things are getting WORSE for our troops, for Iraq, or for the war. IN fact, things are getting better. The democrat complaint is that it isn't moving FAST ENOUGH for them. Cynically, I believe their real fear is that it IS moving too fast, and that if they don't do something now to undermine the troops and embolden our enemies, Iraq might truly BE stable before the next election, our troops might be returning home victorious, and their 3-year strategy of turning the nation against the war to win election will have backfired.

40 posted on 11/18/2005 8:37:56 AM EST by CharlesWayneCT

List of Congressmen to contact post 41:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1524435/posts?page=21

Spread this far and wide:
http://sgthook.com/2005/11/17/taste-of-freedom/

Taste of Freedom

I received an email from a mother whose son is currently fighting in Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division. He and his platoon have penned a message to the American public that is a little different from the message we are getting via the MSM. He asked his mom to help get this message out and she asked me. Here it is from the soldiers on the ground…

Mom,

Be my voice. I want this message heard. It is mine and my platoon’s to the country. A man I know lost his legs the other night. He is in another company in our batallion. I can no longer be silent after watching the sacrifices made by Iraqis and Americans everyday.Send it to a congressman if you have to. Send it to FOX news if you have to. Let this message be heard please…

My fellow Americans, I have a task for those with the courage and fortitude to take it. I have a message that needs not fall on deaf ears. A vision the blind need to see. I am not a political man nor one with great wisdom. I am just a soldier who finds himself helping rebuild a country that he helped liberate a couple years ago.
I have watched on television how the American public questions why their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters are fighting and dying in a country 9000 miles away from their own soil. Take the word of a soldier, for that is all I am, that our cause is a noble one. The reason we are here is one worth fighting for. A cause that has been the most costly and sought after cause in our small span of existence on our little planet. Bought in blood and paid for by those brave enough to give the ultimate sacrifice to obtain it. A right that is given to every man, woman, and child I believe by God. I am talking of freedom.

Freedom. One word but yet countless words could never capture it’s true meaning or power. “For those who have fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.” I read that once and it couldn’t be more true. It’s not the average American’s fault that he or she is “blind and deaf” to the taste of freedom. Most American’s are born into their God given right so it is all they ever know. I was once one of them. I would even dare to say that it isn’t surprising that they take for granted what they have had all their life. My experiences in the military however opened my eyes to the truth.

Ironically you will find the biggest outcries of opposition to our cause from those who have had no military experience and haven’t had to fight for freedom. I challenge all of those who are daring enough to question such a noble cause to come here for just a month and see it first hand. I have a feeling that many voices would be silenced.

I watched Cindy Sheehan sit on the President’s lawn and say that America isn’t worth dying for. Later she corrected herself and said Iraq isn’t worth dying for. She badmouthed all that her son had fought and died for. I bet he is rolling over in his grave.

Ladies and gentleman I ask you this. What if you lived in a country that wasn’t free? What if someone told you when you could have heat, electricity, and water? What if you had no sewage systems so human waste flowed into the streets? What if someone would kill you for bad-mouthing your government? What if you weren’t allowed to watch TV, connect to the internet, or have cell phones unless under extreme censorship? What if you couldn’t put shoes on your child’s feet?

You need not to have a great understanding of the world but rather common sense to realize that it is our duty as HUMAN BEINGS to free the oppressed. If you lived that way would you not want someone to help you????

The Iraqi’s pour into the streets to wave at us and when we liberated the cities during the war they gathered in the thousands to cheer, hug and kiss us. It was what the soldier’s in WW2 experienced, yet no one questioned their cause!! Saddam was no better than Hitler! He tortured and killed thousands of innocent people. We are heroes over here, yet American’s badmouth our President for having us here.

Every police station here has a dozen or more memorials for officers that were murdered trying to ensure that their people live free. These are husbands, fathers, and sons killed every day. What if it were your country? What would your choice be? Everything we fight for is worth the blood that may be shed. The media never reports the true HEROISM I witness everyday in the Iraqi’s. Yes there are bad one’s here, but I assure you they are a minuscule percent. Yet they are a number big enough to cause worry in this country’s future.
I have watched brave souls give their all and lose thier lives and limbs for this cause. I will no longer stand silent and let the “deaf and blind” be the only voice shouting. Stonewall Jackson once said, “All that I have, all that I am is at the service of the country.” For these brave souls who gave the ultimate sacrifice, including your son Cindy Sheehan, I will shout till I can no longer. These men and women are heroes. Their spirit lives on in their military and they will never be forgotten. They did not die in vain but rather for a cause that is larger than all of us.

My fellow countrymen and women, we are not overseas for our country alone but also another. We are here to spread democracy and freedom to those who KNOW the true taste of it because they fight for it everyday. You can see the desire in their eyes and I am honored to fight alongside them as an Infantryman in the 101st Airborne.

Freedom is not free, but yet it is everyone’s right to have. Ironic isn’t it? That is why we are here. Though you will always have the skeptics, I know that most of our military will agree with this message. Please, at the request of this soldier spread this message to all you know. We are in Operation Iraqi Freedom and that is our goal. It is a cause that I and thousands of others stand ready to pay the ultimate sacrifice for because, Cindy Sheehan, freedom is worth dying for, no matter what country it is! And after the world is free only then can we hope to have peace.

SGT XXX and 1st Platoon
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)

I’ve never met this young Sergeant, but if I get the chance I’ll buy the beer for him and his platoon as nothing goes better with the taste of freedom than a couple of cold ones. This We’ll Defend. Sgt Hook out.

Must have: Murthas pointfive column (satire) with links:
http://pointfiveblog.com/index.php/2005/11/517

The numbers of wounded lie (excellent):
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/003835.html

Recheck:

First someone should show these pictures of the aftermath of the two bombings of mosques to show terrorists have no concern for their own:
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/iraq/082701iraqplane/im:/051118/481/bag13711181509;_ylt=AgNRJ4Z0oQo0ee6p8l70Or_lWMcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--?sp=6000

I Had No Idea There Were So Many Converts (Facts on Iraq Mosque Bombing)
http://joustthefacts.typepad.com/joust_the_facts/2005/11/i_had_no_idea_t.html

Saddam bribed a French UN official.
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2005/11/18/wfrance18.xml

What happens if we leave?
http://truckinwifi.com/wordpress/?p=65

A few doses for today, in case you need them (sorry for the length):

MSNBC Poll to freep. Bring them Home Now
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey
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Congressman Murtha's Fax Number ...
202-225-5709
You know what to do! sono
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How To Lose A War: The Sequel (Ollie North)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1524283/posts
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Finally, in today's NY Post ...
THE Senate this week passed a disgraceful resolution suggesting that the United States is more interested in getting out of Iraq than in prevailing there. That's bad enough on its own merits, but it is also "déjà vu all over again," illustrating the one area where the comparison between Iraq and Vietnam is apt.

Read the whole thing.
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/57693.htm
From Sono
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I'm echoing Peach on the Murtha activism thread.

This is the kind of thing that needs to be put front and center:

John Murtha, the congressman who calls for the immediate withdrawl of troops from Iraq ACTUALLY VOTED FOR RE-INSTATING THE MILITARY DRAFT!!!

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll494.xml

SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS!!!
Robb
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Murtha: Iraq ‘Unwinnable’ By Erin P. Billings and Emily Pierce Roll Call Staff May 6, 2004
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=murtha+iraq&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&u=www.rollcall.com/pub/49_120/news/5469-1.html&w=murtha+iraq&d=WASTJY6CLwSO&icp=1&.intl=us

On Murtha:

First of all, I am the last one who would want to smear a former Marine... when he acts like a Marine, that is.

Repeats what he DID say last May... with Pelosi:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/specialreports/iraq/s_192988.html
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October 23, 2003
The "NO" Vote - Peterson, Murtha Screw Our Soldiers
http://www.seamuspress.com/archives/rep_john_murtha/

Excerpt:
Peterson wasn't the only Pennsylvania legislator opposed to the pay raise for soldiers. Murtha (D) not only voted against it but he also argued against it on the floor. Murtha also voted to raise his own pay (but didn't even bother to change it afterwards). I suppose that adding to their individual wealth is more important to them than helping out the soldiers they put at risk (remember both of these hypocrits supported the war).

I find his decision interesting (not just because he gave it with Pelosi either); Check out who his top contributors have been, then go to top industries and to the 2005-2006 profile:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/allcontrib.asp?CID=N00001408

From Murtha's website:

Congressman Murtha has worked hard to bring thousands of long-term, family-sustaining jobs to Western Pennsylvania. With the disappearance of the coal and steel jobs that for more than a century were the lifeblood of the area, he pushed the region in a new direction, intent on diversifying the economy to help insulate it from future shocks. In the early 1990s, new companies in an industry unfamiliar in Western Pennsylvania - defense - began to spring up, bringing more than 5,000 jobs to the district he represents. He founded the House Steel Caucus and has brought millions of dollars to the United Mine Workers to retrain displaced miners and train new miners.

The above is from his web site. He represents the defeated, rotting industrial heart of Pennsylvania. Losing is an attitude. What pet pork project did his district not get? There has to be something really interesting to this flip flop. (From another thread)
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Don't Serve / Don't Tell
The limits of liberal tolerance at Harvard Law School.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/366qmber.asp
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The nadir of the war?
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4996

Winning in Iraq - and losing at home
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4998

What the President Should be Saying
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4997
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After going on and on and on during his press conference Fitz now files a motion to keeping all pretrial evidence out of public view.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/kouri/2005/11/is-valerie-plame-cia-leak-case-against.html

Also, news organizations are asking, through their attorneys, that US District Judge Reggie Walton deny a court motion by special prosecutor Fitzgerald for a blanket protective order keeping all pretrial evidence in Libby's case out of public view. One wonders if Mr. Fitzgerald disclosed this evidence to Libby's trial attorneys. Libby's legal counsel is entitled to full disclosure.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1314476/posts
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Murtha: Give Dean DNC chair
The Hill ^ | 5 jan 05 | Hans Nichols

Posted on 01/05/2005 9:41:22 AM CST by white trash redneck

Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) is actively lobbying Democratic National Committee (DNC) delegates to select former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean as their next chairman.

(snip)

MSM Silent On Murtha's 2004 Statement Calling Iraq War "Unwinnable":
http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2680
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Marines: The Media Don't Show What America is Getting For Our Sacrifice
http://media.nationalreview.com/082793.asp
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Some thoughts from an Iraqi on The Murtha Moment:

It is really strange when a US representative says something like this few weeks after the elected Iraqi government demanded from the UN to extend the mission of coalition forces for another year; apparently my government (and I) do not think that US military presence is harmful for us and the Arab League also thinks that an immediate withdrawal would be disastrous for Iraq and the region. And correct me if I’m wrong but I think I heard a few days ago that the US senate rejected a law that demanded setting a timetable for troops withdrawal (58 vs. 40, right?) let alone an immediate one. However, I agree with Mr. Murtha that some people in Iraq would benefit from an immediate withdrawal but that would be al-Qaeda and there are also countries in the region that would benefit from that too but these would be Syria and Iran!
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
Read the Whole Thing.

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Read this and spread it far and wide:
http://sgthook.com/2005/11/17/taste-of-freedom/

Taste of Freedom

I received an email from a mother whose son is currently fighting in Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division. He and his platoon have penned a message to the American public that is a little different from the message we are getting via the MSM. He asked his mom to help get this message out and she asked me. Here it is from the soldiers on the ground…

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Reid didn't read the intelligence reports:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1524569/posts
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re: Murtha
Keep this for the record, great links:
http://pointfiveblog.com/index.php/2005/11/517
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Debunking the numbers of wounded lie (excellent):
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/003835.html
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Captain Ed takes on Congressman Murtha's anti-war speech yesterday and his chickenhawk accusations against Dick Cheney.
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005807.php
Hugh Hewitt has twelve words that the GOP in Congress should memorize. Don't hold your breath, Hugh.
http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2005/11/13-week/index.php#a000563
James Lileks lets loose on the Hugh Hewitt show on all the second-guessers in Congress.
http://www.radioblogger.com/#001172
Michael Barone writes on the different recollections of Bob Woodward and Walter Pincus and what that says about the CIA.
The Astute Blogger wonders why the liberals and the media just can't seem to get excited about burned and defiled churches in France the same way that they get excited when a mosque is defiled.
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2005/11/french-churches-burn-and-left-and-msm.html
All from Malkin

Democrats Determined Surrender Suicide-Strategy
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10357.shtml
Not All the Perfumes of Arabia (Bill and Hill):
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10358.shtml
The News Media Distortion About Rep. John Murtha
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10359.shtml
Calling For a Pull-Out to Self-Fulfill the Vietnam Prophecy
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10360.shtml
NEWSPAPERS IN DIRE STRAITS
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10365.shtml
Will the Iraq War be Over or Won?
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10367.shtml
Open ANWR
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10363.shtml
CWA: Strip-Searching the Left for Truth is Fruitless-Alito
American Girl Not Alone In Funding Pro-Abortion Girls Inc
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10362.shtml
Fitzgerald sees new grand jury proceedings (Oh no)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051118/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10364.shtml

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/columns/barone_051117.htm

The Facts of War (Mark Levin)
http://www.nationalreview.com/levin/levin200511181121.asp

Murtha makes Al Jazeera:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/94B17C40-260B-4CAB-B653-70845E9ED97B.htm

Zarqawi Threatens Jordan's King
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/18/D8DV13H03.html

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